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Boy did I open a can of worms with the Mosin/SKS/Comm block aficionados. I did not mean to attack these widely used firearms. I’m sure they have a place in someone’s safe. I just wanted to know what the fuss is all about. Is it good looks, accuracy, cheap rifle and or ammo etc.
I have to agree on a couple of points you’ve made this being one of them.
Simple economics of supply and demand. Yes an original Remington 03-A4 will fetch $4.5K and the same for an M1C because of the fact that collectors are willing to pay. I would not say overpriced as collectors are willing to pay…just expensive.
You can still buy a service grade M1 for $650 delivered to your door through the CMP. These rifles will have tubes averaging TE2 MW1 so the tubes are as new. As far as shooting 2 MOA, some are capable out of the box. Here is an 8 shot target on one of my HRA service grade @ 100 yards measuring 2.25” using surplus HXP. Now keep in mind I am not a master class shooter. Sounds like you are a master class shooter so you should be able to cut this group by at least half or more.
Interesting. I wonder if other Mosin shooters knows about this mod? We must keep this fact a secret so Mosin shooters will not start showing up at Sac Valley’s monthly silhouette and long range matches and win each and every match. I’ve only been shooting these two matches just two years but never seen a Mosin or SKS win a match. Not saying you will not win if you shoot these matches with your Mosin, I’m just saying the past two years there was never a Mosin that won the match. Tom (silhouette) and Rob (long range) will have the raw data on this further than two years but match winners are usually shooting Swedish M96, Swiss K31 or 03-A3 and yes even M1.
I assume you are referring to bent op rod? You have your facts wrong and being a Garand collector I feel the duty to correct you on this fact that “heavy loads” don’t bend op rods. It is excessive port pressure from slow burning powder on some commercial rounds. I’ve loaded my M1 past red on Sierra manual with IMR 4064 with absolutely zero issues.
Although the pre WWII 1903s made by SA and RIA are beautiful rifles, I would like to agree with you as the bulk of my collection are 1903s and 03-A3s. However, IMO the 1903/03-A3 are outclassed by the Swedish Mauser in material (Swedish steel), build quality and workmanship. The Swedes just took their time to build their Mausers.
Again supply and demand dictate prices.
Let’s look at the National Matches held at Camp Perry annually. Unless you come up with something I missed, there has been NO Mosin that ever won the National Match ever. Again fact and data don’t support your opinion.
Josh, I’m not a Master Class shooter like yourself and never claimed to be one. I am a lousy shot to be honest with you. However, I know of two Mauser shooters that I bet will give you a run for your money. Vern Hays with his RA 03-A3 and Paul Wooden with his Swede M96. These two guys routinely scores in the low to mid 30s in the silhouette and in the 370s in the long range matches all with as issued rifles no mods.
I would like to invite you and your favorite Mosin to our next silhouette match on the 19th of January at Sacramento Valley Shooting Center in Sloughhouse CA. In addition, I would like to invite you to our long range match as soon as we can get a date from the match director (Rob). In case you are not aware, the silhouettes are shot at 200M chickens, 300M pigs, 385 turkey and 500M rams. The long range and Folsom Special are shot at 300Y, 500Y, 600Y and 800Y. That would be interesting to see you win both matches.
There was a shooter last month shooting an SKS at at semi auto silhouette match and was supprised he scored a total of 3 but I was not surprised. That match winner at that match was shooting an AG42 Ljungman yes a Swedish rifle.
I have to agree on a couple of points you’ve made this being one of them.
Simple economics of supply and demand. Yes an original Remington 03-A4 will fetch $4.5K and the same for an M1C because of the fact that collectors are willing to pay. I would not say overpriced as collectors are willing to pay…just expensive.
You can still buy a service grade M1 for $650 delivered to your door through the CMP. These rifles will have tubes averaging TE2 MW1 so the tubes are as new. As far as shooting 2 MOA, some are capable out of the box. Here is an 8 shot target on one of my HRA service grade @ 100 yards measuring 2.25” using surplus HXP. Now keep in mind I am not a master class shooter. Sounds like you are a master class shooter so you should be able to cut this group by at least half or more.
Interesting. I wonder if other Mosin shooters knows about this mod? We must keep this fact a secret so Mosin shooters will not start showing up at Sac Valley’s monthly silhouette and long range matches and win each and every match. I’ve only been shooting these two matches just two years but never seen a Mosin or SKS win a match. Not saying you will not win if you shoot these matches with your Mosin, I’m just saying the past two years there was never a Mosin that won the match. Tom (silhouette) and Rob (long range) will have the raw data on this further than two years but match winners are usually shooting Swedish M96, Swiss K31 or 03-A3 and yes even M1.
I assume you are referring to bent op rod? You have your facts wrong and being a Garand collector I feel the duty to correct you on this fact that “heavy loads” don’t bend op rods. It is excessive port pressure from slow burning powder on some commercial rounds. I’ve loaded my M1 past red on Sierra manual with IMR 4064 with absolutely zero issues.
Although the pre WWII 1903s made by SA and RIA are beautiful rifles, I would like to agree with you as the bulk of my collection are 1903s and 03-A3s. However, IMO the 1903/03-A3 are outclassed by the Swedish Mauser in material (Swedish steel), build quality and workmanship. The Swedes just took their time to build their Mausers.
Again supply and demand dictate prices.
Let’s look at the National Matches held at Camp Perry annually. Unless you come up with something I missed, there has been NO Mosin that ever won the National Match ever. Again fact and data don’t support your opinion.
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Heck, I still need to get some official targets up. I'll outshoot you with irons, I promise...
Anything further than 100 yards and I'll have to buy range time, but I'll shoot out to however far you'd like.
Josh
Heck, I still need to get some official targets up. I'll outshoot you with irons, I promise...
Anything further than 100 yards and I'll have to buy range time, but I'll shoot out to however far you'd like.
Josh
I would like to invite you and your favorite Mosin to our next silhouette match on the 19th of January at Sacramento Valley Shooting Center in Sloughhouse CA. In addition, I would like to invite you to our long range match as soon as we can get a date from the match director (Rob). In case you are not aware, the silhouettes are shot at 200M chickens, 300M pigs, 385 turkey and 500M rams. The long range and Folsom Special are shot at 300Y, 500Y, 600Y and 800Y. That would be interesting to see you win both matches.
There was a shooter last month shooting an SKS at at semi auto silhouette match and was supprised he scored a total of 3 but I was not surprised. That match winner at that match was shooting an AG42 Ljungman yes a Swedish rifle.
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