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  • IrishJoe3
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 3804

    All ye C&R gurus....

    Because of the knowledgable collectors on board here, I was hoping I could pick your brains as to what exactly I have in my collection here. I'm pretty new to C&R, but would like to learn more about what I have!

    Last edited by IrishJoe3; 10-20-2012, 1:11 PM.
    Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.
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    IrishJoe3
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    • Feb 2009
    • 3804

    M-1 Carbine, Inland Division 6/43.





    The only stamp I could find on the stock.
    Last edited by IrishJoe3; 10-20-2012, 1:12 PM.
    Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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      IrishJoe3
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      • Feb 2009
      • 3804

      M-1 Garand. Recent CMP purchase.
      Requested WWII S/N and hoped for GI stock. Got both! (Aug 1944 SN).













      Last edited by IrishJoe3; 10-20-2012, 1:02 PM.
      Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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        IrishJoe3
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 3804

        1903A3

        This scope mount looks like it was designed for the 1903A3, is it military or civilian manufacture?
        The scope I presume is civilian?
        I have no details on the background of this rifle.



















        Last edited by IrishJoe3; 10-20-2012, 1:11 PM.
        Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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        • #5
          ccandgc
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 2142

          Nice collection!
          -Chad

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            IrishJoe3
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            • Feb 2009
            • 3804







            Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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              drdarrin@sbcglobal.net
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 2219

              Wish I could help you out with factual information but I can't. Very nice collection. I'm jealous it's not in my safe.
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                Mssr. Eleganté
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                • Oct 2005
                • 10401

                Is that an original 03A4 that somebody pimp-shined? It has an 03A4 receiver with the off set markings.
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                  IrishJoe3
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                  • Feb 2009
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                  Is that an original 03A4 that somebody pimp-shined? It has an 03A4 receiver with the off set markings.
                  The stock looks sanded and it has that high gloss finish, so someone somewhere down the line worked the stock.

                  The reciever is stamped off set like you said, but if it was origionally an A4, why is it stamped "MODEL 03-A3"?

                  The finish on the redfield scope mount seems to match the rifle, did redfield make mounts for the military? And anyone have any info on that scope?

                  And what is that 1/4" or so hole in the reciever underneath the "US REMINGTON" on the left side?
                  Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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                    TRAP55
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 5536

                    I'm no expert on the 03-A4, but I do know the receiver is stamped correctly.
                    The reciever is stamped off set like you said, but if it was origionally an A4, why is it stamped "MODEL 03-A3"?
                    They all were.
                    The finish on the redfield scope mount seems to match the rifle, did redfield make mounts for the military? And anyone have any info on that scope?
                    Not 100% sure, but I believe the original scope for that mount would have been a M8 Weaver 330 scope?
                    And what is that 1/4" or so hole in the reciever underneath the "US REMINGTON" on the left side?
                    A gas vent, if a case should rupture.

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                    • #11
                      IrishJoe3
                      Veteran Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 3804

                      See, thats why I posted here. Thanks guys, awesome!

                      So, this very well may be a true military 1903A4 and not a post war modification?
                      Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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                        Mssr. Eleganté
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                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 10401

                        Originally posted by IrishJoe3
                        The finish on the redfield scope mount seems to match the rifle, did redfield make mounts for the military?
                        Yes, Redfield made the scope mounts for M1903A4 rifles.
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                          smle-man
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 10580

                          The hole in the receiver ring left side on the 03A4 is a gas relief port in the event of a case failure. The stock has a stamp from Rock Island Arsenal showing that at least the stock and possibly the rifle went through an arsenal overhaul/rebuild. The stock was sanded and tru-oiled by a civilian owner to get the gloss finish. The M1 rifle went through a rebuild post WW2 evidenced by the 1955 dated barrel, HRA bolt, and DoD stamp on the stock. There may be an ectropen scribed marking on the receiver legs with the arsenal and date if it was done in the 60s.

                          All nice arms and accessories!

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                          • #14
                            Mutant
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 828

                            Originally posted by IrishJoe3
                            Because of the knowledgable collectors on board here, I was hoping I could pick your brains as to what exactly I have in my collection here. I'm pretty new to C&R, but would like to learn more about what I have!

                            Dem der is rifles.
                            Life is hard. Being stupid makes it harder. - John Wayne

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                            • #15
                              Mg911guy
                              Member
                              • May 2006
                              • 337

                              Oh yes that is a real 03-A4 the roll marks are only offset for the A4 snipers. According to The Model 1903 Springfield Rifle by Joe Poyer.

                              M1903A4 Remington Production 1st bock serials 3,407,088-3,427,087 they were stocked with springfield-made "C" stocks marked "S" in the magazine cutoff recess.

                              2nd block June 1943 4,000,001-4,015,000 some were "Z" prefixed.

                              3rd block 4,992,001-4,999,045 the last A4 rifles left the Remington Arms line in June 1944 stocks were marked "S" or "K"

                              From what I can see of your serial number looks like yours is a 1st production M1903A4 sniper rifle. Definitely a keeper.
                              Last edited by Mg911guy; 10-20-2012, 7:44 PM.


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