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  • Raptor3000
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 2836

    Swiss K11/31 Rifles

    Please educate me on these rifles, i see there are atleast 3 variants of these. Are these rifles any good? what to look for while buying these?

    Please advice.

    thanks
    Last edited by Raptor3000; 09-28-2012, 11:44 AM.
  • #2
    gun toting monkeyboy
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2008
    • 6820

    They are well-built and accurate. They run like, well, Swiss clocks. There are several varients. The one from the 1890s uses a slightly different cartridge, and is not designed for the more modern ammunition. Fortunately these are fairly rare. The K11 and K31s are nice. You can often find them in really good condition. Under the buttplate (assuming nobody has messed with it) you will normally find a small slip of paper with the previous owner's name and address written on it. It terms of power, think .308. Brass and dies are available. It uses .308" bullets for reloading. And the Swiss surplus ammo is basically match-grade target ammo.

    -Mb
    Originally posted by aplinker
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    • #3
      pro-nra
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 2270

      K11 is the shorter version of the 1911 long rifle. The 1911 is a true Schmidt Rubin design while the K31 is a variant of the Schmidt Rubin. IMO you need both but for shootability, the K31 edges the K11 by half a hair due to longer sight radius. There are more than three variants: 1889, 96/11, 1911, K11, K31, IG.89, CADET RIFLE, ZFK 55 SNIPERS RIFLE just to name a few.

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      • #4
        Raptor3000
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 2836

        Which one is more desirable? K31? K31 is the rifle used during WWII right?

        thanks

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        • #5
          gun toting monkeyboy
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2008
          • 6820

          Originally posted by Raptor3000
          Which one is more desirable? K31? K31 is the rifle used during WWII right?

          thanks
          None of them were used in WWII.
          Originally posted by aplinker
          It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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          • #6
            Raptor3000
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 2836

            Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
            None of them were used in WWII.
            I mean used or issued during WWII era, you are right swiss didn't fight WWII.

            thanks

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            • #7
              glennsche
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 1831

              youre missing the best part about the swiss rifles, the bayonets.

              specifically, the 1914 pioneer bayonets



              i also just picked this up (and will be selling it shortly), the incredibly rare and 'spensive 1889/1892 bayonet:


              more info on this site about everything swissy shooty stabby.
              "If the American Left wanted to decrease interest in shooting, they should have the government make it mandatory like they do here in Switzerland. Nothing makes you not want to do something like when the government makes you do it."

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              • #8
                glennsche
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 1831

                Originally posted by Raptor3000
                I mean used or issued during WWII era, you are right swiss didn't fight WWII.

                thanks
                yep. If the swiss had been invaded in 1940, the wehrmacht would've faced men armed with these.

                K31=karabiner 1931. Just lik K98 is Karabiner 1898... G11 Gewehr 1911 etc etc.
                "If the American Left wanted to decrease interest in shooting, they should have the government make it mandatory like they do here in Switzerland. Nothing makes you not want to do something like when the government makes you do it."

                "I'm over you." -Citadelgrad87

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                • #9
                  mitchg233
                  Member
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 126

                  K31's were issued from 1933ish to 1958.

                  None were ever fired in anger; Swiss bankers did the dirty work.

                  They are very well made rifles with an odd bolt design which can very rarely fail with bad results, and sometimes does. Ammo is half a buck each.

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                  • #10
                    gun toting monkeyboy
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 6820

                    As far as I know, almost all of their guns were issued during WWII. Remember, when men finished with their military rotation, they normally took their rifle with them as part of their being in the reserves. So the K11s weren't just sitting around in an arsenal somewhere. Not all of them. They were in people's homes, ready to be used if needed.

                    -Mb
                    Originally posted by aplinker
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                    • #11
                      Cowboy T
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 5710

                      These rifles do look interesting, no question. If the 7.5 Swiss round had been based on the Mauser cartridge design, like the .30-06 and .308 as two examples, I probably would've bought one.
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                      • #12
                        OldShooter32
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 2051

                        Get a K31. Stronger action than the 1911, but also fits in the vault better! The K31 will impress you with the accuracy, even with GP11 surplus ammo. There are scope mounts and other goodies that are screw-on (no drilling or tapping) and are solid. Did I mention they are accurate?
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                        • #13
                          Raptor3000
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 2836

                          did any one bought a K31 from classic arms? how are the K31s from them?

                          thanks

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                          • #14
                            glennsche
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1831

                            Originally posted by OldShooter32
                            Get a K31. Stronger action than the 1911, but also fits in the vault better! The K31 will impress you with the accuracy, even with GP11 surplus ammo. There are scope mounts and other goodies that are screw-on (no drilling or tapping) and are solid. Did I mention they are accurate?
                            Agreed with the k31 vs g11/k11 assessment.

                            also the bolt on the g11 is so huge, its like a doorknob in a rifle.

                            found this pic when i was searching for ... well.. exactly this.

                            "If the American Left wanted to decrease interest in shooting, they should have the government make it mandatory like they do here in Switzerland. Nothing makes you not want to do something like when the government makes you do it."

                            "I'm over you." -Citadelgrad87

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                            • #15
                              Guisan
                              In Memoriam
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 368

                              Originally posted by mitchg233
                              K31's were issued from 1933ish to 1958.

                              None were ever fired in anger; Swiss bankers did the dirty work.

                              They are very well made rifles with an odd bolt design which can very rarely fail with bad results, and sometimes does. Ammo is half a buck each.
                              The Israeli defence used some 200 of these in anger in the late 40's and these did perform well.
                              Examples can be found in the Israeli national museum or on our website.

                              Guisan..
                              Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
                              No surrender. Fight to the death.

                              Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

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                              Email: guisan-info@bluewin.ch

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