Help Save this rifle

[navycorpsman]

So found a Guy on craigslist today selling an RC for 425. I offered him a fair deal and he explained that if no one buys it at the over priced rate of 425 he is going to chop it up and sportarize it. i am adding link in case any of you want to save this rifle from this *Cough* Moron from chopping up an amazing rifle.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/spo/3205298267.html

Again its sad to say he is firm at 425 and said its worth him to chop it up if not sold for that. Again save a piece of history if you want to but from this idiot.

-From a Collector

[bruceflinch]

What a Maroon!

[gunboat]

Do i understand this correctly ?
Man has a weapon you like for a silly price you will not pay, but, you think I might?

[navycorpsman]

Do i understand this correctly ?
Man has a weapon you like for a silly price you will not pay, but, you think I might?

Hey Maybe someone has better luck than me to negotiate or a trade he wants. Peoples budgets and what they wanna pay are different by person to person. What i think is to much may not be for someone else.

[Cowboy T]

It's his rifle. Let him do with it as he pleases.

[CSACANNONEER]

If he wants to invest time and money to devalue his property, that's his business. Bubbaing a firearm does not take away any of it's historical signifigance. It does take away value but, if anything, it adds to it's history. Once you get past WWI guns, you'll find a lot of military guns that have been converted from flint to percusion, from long rifles to carbines, etc. It is just part of the guns long history.

[af240z]

Somehow I doubt he'd be doing that. Why sink $$ into a collectible rifle, reducing its value, instead of getting money back or keeping it stock.

Or he's screwing with you to get his price on it. If you notice, his ad says "$425 firm", so that should have been a clue that he's not going to budge on his price.

[Wildeman_13]

Due to its vintage status (50+ years since manufactured), it can be transferred to any priviate party without going through dealer.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but don't you need to hold a C&R license for this part to be legal? Without the C&R you still have to go through an FFL, correct?

[navycorpsman]

If he wants to invest time and money to devalue his property, that's his business. Bubbaing a firearm does not take away any of it's historical signifigance. It does take away value but, if anything, it adds to it's history. Once you get past WWI guns, you'll find a lot of military guns that have been converted from flint to percusion, from long rifles to carbines, etc. It is just part of the guns long history.

I GREATLY disagree with that. When you bubba something you take away from its historical value also. When you remove parts from a historic rifle it nor longer has any realy collector value because its lost its Historical Value.

BUbbaing any firearm is a shame.

Idk i am just a firm believer those firearms should be left as is. You want to build something thats what AR's are for.

And i know its his rifle and he can do what he wants, not an idiot guys

[Wernher von Browning]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but don't you need to hold a C&R license for this part to be legal? Without the C&R you still have to go through an FFL, correct?

Nope.

For now.

As of Jan. 2014 yes, you will have to go through a dealer and ten-day hold and all that, even if you have a C&R license.

For now, though, you can buy/sell Curio and Relic long guns (on the Federal C&R list PLUS, in CA, must be at least 50 years old -- some on the Federal list aren't) -- you can sell those face to face. Both parties must be residents of California, over 21, and not a "prohibited person" (you know the drill -- no felonies, no escapees from the loony bin, no domestic violence convictions, not an illegal alien, etc).

This saves some bucks right there, by skipping the dealer DROS process.

I'm getting what I want now, before Jan 2014.

From the horse's... um... mouth:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs

I

want to sell a gun to another person, i.e., a private party transfer. Am I required to conduct the transaction through a licensed California firearms dealer?

Yes. Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

I have done this several times. In one instance, the seller thought we had to go through the usual dealer stuff. I said no, and gave him a phone number to call at the CA DOJ. They were helpful and assured him that this was all kosher. He even called twice just to make sure.

[TheExpertish]

I agree it's a shame if he does indeed want to be a moron over it, but oh well I suppose. I think the most ridiculous price is for the bayo.

[CSACANNONEER]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but don't you need to hold a C&R license for this part to be legal? Without the C&R you still have to go through an FFL, correct?

No 03FFL needed.

I GREATLY disagree with that. When you bubba something you take away from its historical value also. When you remove parts from a historic rifle it nor longer has any realy collector value because its lost its Historical Value.

BUbbaing any firearm is a shame.

Idk i am just a firm believer those firearms should be left as is. You want to build something thats what AR's are for.

And i know its his rifle and he can do what he wants, not an idiot guys

So, it's OK for some unknow soldier to personalize his rifle with carvings, etc. drop it, sratch it, dent it, etc. But, if anyone else puts any type of modification or scratch on the firearm, it is wrong? Guess what, whether you agree or disagree, history is constantly being made. Every time someone touches a surplus gun, it changes the gun's history. It may loose monitary value if it gets bubba'd. Most of us may not like bubba'd guns. But, to think a gun has more historical value because it is untouched since whatever year so long ago vs. a gun who's history is still being made because, it is still being used and the user personalizes it is plain foolish. It's no different than someone building a hot rod out of a production vehicle. Some people think it's a shame to chop up such 'n such vehicle and think it would be better off being driven off the showroom floor and right into a museum. Others think that chopping and modifying give it new life and a much longer and more interesting history than the ones left stock. While I am not a fan of Bubba's, I would rather see a firearm continue to live and be used than hidden away in a dark safe somewhere because, it "has a past". If Bubba wants to chop, let him chop. If he chops 2" off the barrel of a 99% first gen Colt revolver, it's his idiot move. But, at least he lives in America where he is free to be an idiot in the first place.

[Wildeman_13]

Thanks Wernher and CSACANNONEER for clearing that up.

[CSACANNONEER]

Thanks Wernher and CSACANNONEER for clearing that up.

Would have posted it soon but, my boss walked in while I was replying.

[navycorpsman]

So, it's OK for some unknow soldier to personalize his rifle with carvings, etc. drop it, sratch it, dent it, etc. But, if anyone else puts any type of modification or scratch on the firearm, it is wrong? Guess what, whether you agree or disagree, history is constantly being made. Every time someone touches a surplus gun, it changes the gun's history. It may loose monitary value if it gets bubba'd. Most of us may not like bubba'd guns. But, to think a gun has more historical value because it is untouched since whatever year so long ago vs. a gun who's history is still being made because, it is still being used and the user personalizes it is plain foolish. It's no different than someone building a hot rod out of a production vehicle. Some people think it's a shame to chop up such 'n such vehicle and think it would be better off being driven off the showroom floor and right into a museum. Others think that chopping and modifying give it new life and a much longer and more interesting history than the ones left stock. While I am not a fan of Bubba's, I would rather see a firearm continue to live and be used than hidden away in a dark safe somewhere because, it "has a past". If Bubba wants to chop, let him chop. If he chops 2" off the barrel of a 99% first gen Colt revolver, it's his idiot move. But, at least he lives in America where he is free to be an idiot in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Yes it it okay for a soldier to make modifications since it adds history or can tie someone to that rifle. Normal joe chopping up a rifle adds history no one cares about IMHO. Didnt want to start a little debate, cause it could go on all. day.

Thanks for opinion just like mine is but I am a firm on leaving things like C&r alone. Especially WW2 era rifles.