Bud's and the Nagant Revolver Rant

[Tom-ADC]

So I get a email from Bud's to order a Nagant Revolver to go with my MN I ordered from them a while back, so I follow the link and buy it, pretty soon I get a email from Bud's order cancelled the Nagant isn't legal here? I email back to ask why? Its not on the CA DOJ list of approved revolvers, so I email back and include the link to CA DOJ list and point out curios are except? I get a email back informing me that this a working revolver and not a curio, they now have note on the Nagant not for sale in CA.
I did email back and suggest they fix their email system so us in CA don't get emails with buy it now links if the fire arm can't be sold here.
Okay I feel better now. Thanks for listening.

[CSACANNONEER]

They are completely wrong. It may not be a "curio" but, it is a "relic" in Ca since it's over 50 years old.

[Tom-ADC]

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

I sent this and the link did no good.

[CSACANNONEER]

It's also a single action. So, it's exempt that way too.

[CaliB&R]

It's also a single action. So, it's exempt that way too.

Weren't most Nagant revolvers refubed to SA/DA? And isn't finding a SA only one akin to the finding the perverbial needle?

[morrcarr67]

Just buy it from J&G Sales. It's $30 less and they are truly a CA friendly gun store.

http://www.jgsales.com/russian-1895-nagant-revolver,-in-7.62-nagant-caliber,-with-holster.-p-1059.html

[CEDaytonaRydr]

Meh...

They're only hurting themselves. I think J&G has them on a regular basis (if not always).

[Tom-ADC]

Thanks I just checked them and asked if my local FFL dealer was on file.
Will buy there.

[af240z]

It's also a single action. So, it's exempt that way too.

I thought there were 2 models: officer's model and infantry model. Officer's was double action, infantry was single?

[yellowsled]

$89 on classic arms as of today.

[morrcarr67]

I thought there were 2 models: officer's model and infantry model. Officer's was double action, infantry was single?

Here's some info on that:

This revolver was designed in Belgium by Nagant brothers (Emile and Leon) in the late 1880s - early 1890s, and was adopted by numerous countries, including Sweden and Poland, but the major user and manufacturer was undoubtfully Russia (and later Soviet Union). Russian government adopted Nagant revolver in 1895, and local production began in 1898 (first shipments were from Belgium). It was a standard russian sidearm until 1930, when M1895 Nagant was declared obsolete, but it was widely used and manufactured during World War 2, and manufacture was finally ceased circa 1950.

Later, some sporting revolvers, both in 7.62mm and in .22LR were developed on Nagant platform. Intertestingly enough, the M1895 revolvers still can be seen carried by some security personnel in Russia, especially by Railroad Security and by some armed guards. Usually, those revolvers are 2 to 4 times older than men who carry these guns.

From technical point of view, Nagant revolvers were already almost outdated at the moment of its adoption in 1895, since newest revolvers like S&W Hand Ejectors or Colts with side-opened cylinders were much faster to reload. On the other hand, M1895 had some unusual and interesting features, one of which was gas sealed cylinder, which made the Nagant a rare example of revolver suitable for mounting a silencer. Such a practice was known by NKVD and some Red Army special forces (recon and scouts) during WW2. Special silencer, called "Bramit device" was designed by Mitin brothers and could be mounted on the barrel.

M1895 Nagand was a solid frame, seven shot revolver with non-removable cylinder. The loading and unloading was committed wia the loading gate at the right side of the frame, one cartridge by one. Spent cases were ejected by the ejector rod, which, when not in use, was concealed within the cylinder axis and swung to the side on the ejector rod link to be used. Original guns were double action ones, but Tsarists government ordered that some of M1895 should be retrofitted with Single Action triggers and issued to enlisted men, and DA guns should be issued only to the Officers and Police. In Red (Soviet) army only Double Action Nagants were issued.

The gas sealed cylinder, mentioned above, was made to use all of powder gases to propel the bullet (in most revolvers some gases escape from the gap between the cylinder face and barrel breech). To achieve that, the cylinder moves ahead a bit when hammer is cocked, enclosing a barrel breech area with recess in the front of each chamber. The cartridge, unique to that design, had long case with tapered mouth and a bullet totally enclosed inside the case. When cylinder moves forward, the cartridge case mouth entered the barrel breech and was used as additional seal. This was a complicated mechanism, useful mostly when guns were used with silencer.

Being somewhat complicated and relatively slow to reload, with ammunition of marginal power, Nagants were otherwise good guns, reliable, acurate and quite popular among the troops.

[mosinnagantm9130]

That's stupid. The Nagant is perfectly legal here.

[dogfood]

Your personal hardship aside, if they don't want money then that's their own fool fault, they'll lose business to J&G, Classic Arms, and other such companies who know what they're doing.

[Quiet]

Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement.

I sent this and the link did no good.

Try sending them the CA penal code that states C&R firearms are exempt.


Penal Code 32000
(a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

[Tom-ADC]

Try sending them the CA penal code that states C&R firearms are exempt.


Penal Code 32000
(a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

I did that, they still insisted it wasn't legal here so I'm going someplace els.