Yugoslav Sks

[FourLoko]

Guys,

Just called Century, yugo 59 in excellent condition are $319+ $12 shipping.

Is it a good price for yugo 59, it's not 59/66.

Thanks

how do you order?

[0321jarhead]

how do you order?

If you have FFL/03 send a signed copy in red or blue ink with the money. Just be sure to call first. If not FFL/03 you will have to order through a FFL/01 dealer and then they will make there $1.95 off of you as well. AND THE YUGO M59 IS A SKS. Ask anyone and don't listen to those that say it is not. Those people are represented by my avatar. Good luck.

[SKSer45]

Ok kids lets calm down now...

Ok so just because it doesn't say its an SKS on the side and the country never says it built SKS doesn't mean it isn't so.

Romania never called it "An SKS" Official name was m56. Yes it is almost identical to a Russkie SKS.
Chinese officially called it a type 56. Later on was called an m21 for import.
The list goes on and on....

So basically if its look like a Ducks, walks like a duck...talks like a duck it is a duck.
Quack!

[AlabamaBound]

If you have FFL/03 send a signed copy in red or blue ink with the money. Just be sure to call first. If not FFL/03 you will have to order through a FFL/01 dealer and then they will make there $1.95 off of you as well. AND THE YUGO M59 IS A SKS. Ask anyone and don't listen to those that say it is not. Those people are represented by my avatar. Good luck.

FYI, I just called and they do not have any of them in stock right now but they are backorderable. You cannot order them online, you have to call.

[morrcarr67]

Ok kids lets calm down now...

Ok so just because it doesn't say its an SKS on the side and the country never says it built SKS doesn't mean it isn't so.

Romania never called it "An SKS" Official name was m56. Yes it is almost identical to a Russkie SKS.
Chinese officially called it a type 56. Later on was called an m21 for import.
The list goes on and on....

So basically if its look like a Ducks, walks like a duck...talks like a duck it is a duck.
Quack!

Are you sure about that?

Practical guide: most SKSes are likely gonna be SKSes... Russian and Chinese.

Formal names/models used in Fed law/importation could be helpful (or not)

There could be useful defenses in lack of labelling but I prefer more affirmative status to clearly stay on safe side of Harrott.


A gun like a Yugo M59 or M59/66 is indeed not an SKS, as even the CA DOJ BOF says it's a Zastava Arms M59... carbine.

I believe the Albanian SKS had a model number/mfgr of some kind that would pull it out of true "SKS" categorization too, but don't count on that.
[This may also apply to the E. German and N. Korean ones as well but those are hardly if ever found in USA.]

For now I would safely assume ONLY the Yugo M59/66 is NOT an SKS and not 'game' others based on missing marks.


Remember aside from all CA law, 922(r) still applies.

• The Roberti-Roos list specifically bans "SKS with detachable mag". Keep a stock 10rd fixed mag in
  your regular SKS and you're fine.
  
  .
• Another PC section (old numbers - 12287? 12288?) bans "SKS-D" and SKS Cowboy types that accepted/
  were designed for AK mags and also provided for the 1997-era buyback of such guns. These guns should
  likely be regarded as banned by name and not possesed even with mags converted to fixed-10rd format.
  [I'll have to double check on this but I'd not want one in my safe...]
  .
• The Yugo Zastava M59 (and M59/66) carbines are in fact that by make and model, and are indeed not true
  "SKS" rifles, despite any generic/colloquial references to them as SKSes. This is per the Harrott decision of
  the CA Supreme Ct. which requires make and model specificity, and which also precludes "SKS" from being
  regarded as a "series".
  
  Since Yugo M59 and M59/66 carbines are in fact NOT SKSes per law, they in fact can have detachable magazines
  if no other evil features (flash hider, pistol grip, thumbhole stock, folder stock, etc.) are attached. However,
  Federal 922(r) law and 27 CFR 478.39 regulations concerning foreign vs domestic parts content and the "10 or
  less key foreign parts" game would have to be observed.
  
  [Note that the Yugo M59/66 carbine variant often was equipped with a grenade launcher muzzle device. This device
  is separately and intrinsically illegal in CA [in fact, there is a DOJ warning memo about this configuration] and if
  someone were to find himself in possession of a gun with one, the device should be IMMEDIATELY removed, cut
  off and destroye (and not saved). Yugo M59/66s sold in CA either have had these devices removed, or they have
  a steel sleeve welded over them to destroy functionality.]
  .
• Aftermarket SKS mags generally are crap, so sticking to your bone-stock SKS, just from a shooter's viewpoint
  and regardless of all the legal wrangling above, is probably the best way to go. It's a pretty damned well-designed
  rifle as it stands..

[SKSer45]

hahah so your going to base this all of what the CA DOJ says? Sorry bro but Federal Law Trumps CA Law. If the Yugo SKS is in the BAFTE List then that is good enough for me and I go by that. BY law those idiots in Sacramento think an SKS is an Assault Rifle if it has a detach mag which it is not according to the rest of the 49 States.

So once again quack!

[Mssr. Eleganté]

If the Yugo SKS is in the BAFTE List then that is good enough for me and I go by that.

There isn't any Yugoslavian SKS on the BATFE C&R list. The only SKSs on the C&R list are Albanian, Romanian and Russian. However, BATFE does include "Yugoslavian manufactured rifles M59 and M59/66" on the C&R list.

[SKSer45]

There isn't any Yugoslavian SKS on the BATFE C&R list. The only SKSs on the C&R list are Albanian, Romanian and Russian. However, BATFE does include "Yugoslavian manufactured rifles M59 and M59/66" on the C&R list.

hehehe Mssr. E sly one you are

I just pray that one day it can say Chinese. Ahhh dream come true.

[paul0660]

KwaCK.

[SKSer45]

KwaCK.

haha Paul did you make a funny?

[morrcarr67]

hahah so your going to base this all of what the CA DOJ says? Sorry bro but Federal Law Trumps CA Law. If the Yugo SKS is in the BAFTE List then that is good enough for me and I go by that. BY law those idiots in Sacramento think an SKS is an Assault Rifle if it has a detach mag which it is not according to the rest of the 49 States.

So once again quack!

Well there's another thing your wrong about:


Yugoslavian manufactured rifles M59 and M59/66, 7.62 x 39mm caliber, all semiautomatic variations and having a fixed magazine, manufactured from 1947 to 1992.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/update-march-2001-may-2005.html

So let's see.

We have the Yugo government that says the rifle they built is not an SKS. We have the BATF ran by the US Government that knows the Yugo built rifle is not an SKS. And we have the California Supreme Court that says the "Duck" rule does not apply to guns.

I think I will go with them.

I didn't base my statements off what the CA DOJ said. I do however take heart in knowing that even an inept group of people as stupid as the CA DOJ understands the the above and knows that the Yugo built rifle is not an SKS.

But at least you have your ducks.

[ironmike]

As I am not on this forum as often as others might be, I am getting a kick out of this "morrcarr67" and his arguments. It reminds me of the old cartoon the Bullwinkle Show's "Mr. know it all." Keep up the good work morrcarr67. You made my day. Now for sure I'm going to buy an SKS. Hmm...which one now?

[SKSer45]

As I am not on this forum as often as others might be, I am getting a kick out of this "morrcarr67" and his arguments. It reminds me of the old cartoon the Bullwinkle Show's "Mr. know it all." Keep up the good work morrcarr67. You made my day. Now for sure I'm going to buy an SKS. Hmm...which one now?

Well according to Morrcarry can't buy a Yugo because its not an SKS

[aghauler]

Yes the Yugo M59 is legal in CA as it does not have a GL on it.

If a Yugo M59 has a detachable magazine it would be legal in CA.

Only rifles marked SKS that have detachable magazines are illegal in CA.

A M59 would be cash and carry for a CA C&R FFL from a NV FFL correct?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

A M59 would be cash and carry for a CA C&R FFL from a NV FFL correct?

Yes, if the CA C&R FFL is actually in Nevada when the transfer takes place. A California C&R FFL could even meet an unlicensed California resident in Nevada and acquire a Yugo M59 from them.