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  • #16
    gun toting monkeyboy
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2008
    • 6820

    Looks like a German 1933 Standard Modell to me. These were export mausers made to compete with the Belgian and Czech mausers for the world arms trade. They normally came in 7.92x57 (8x57 Mauser), which in the interwar period was the standard cartridge of most armies as they upgraded from older rifles. Much like the .30-06 was after WWII. You can tell that it is a 1933 Modell because it has the finger grooves on the front of the stock that the 1934 version lacked. My guess would be that this one is likely still in 8x57, because not many places upgraded these to .30-06 or 7.62x51 after WWII. Some of the few that did, like Peru, had their own models, not the Standard Modell. The barrel looks like an original mauser barrel, and had it been an Israeli rifle (one of the other few places that did upgrade the barrel) they would have scrubbed the writing on the side as well. Since it is a 98 mauser, the .308 is well within it's operating pressure.

    -Mb
    Originally posted by aplinker
    It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    • #17
      Low-Pressure
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 1758

      Originally posted by TRAP55
      Looks like a pre war Banner Mauser. Get a pic of the top of the receiver ring.
      Originally posted by PEZHEAD265
      It looks like from the bayo lug that it is from the 98 family.Like TRAP55 said pics of the receiver will help.
      I will pass by his shop and see if it's still there and take a few more pictures.
      ...with liberty and justice for all. Void where prohibited, offer not valid everywhere, price may change. See Big Brother for details.
      Originally posted by zfields
      9mm might expand but .45 never shrinks!
      Originally posted by bwiese
      Constitutional rights are not dependent on your neighbors' opinions'.
      If you shop at Amazon.com please use the link below. A portion of your purchase goes to CGF.
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      • #18
        Low-Pressure
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 1758

        Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
        How cheap? -Mb
        He is asking $75



        Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
        Looks like a German 1933 Standard Modell to me. These were export mausers made to compete with the Belgian and Czech mausers for the world arms trade. They normally came in 7.92x57 (8x57 Mauser), which in the interwar period was the standard cartridge of most armies as they upgraded from older rifles. Much like the .30-06 was after WWII. You can tell that it is a 1933 Modell because it has the finger grooves on the front of the stock that the 1934 version lacked. My guess would be that this one is likely still in 8x57, because not many places upgraded these to .30-06 or 7.62x51 after WWII. Some of the few that did, like Peru, had their own models, not the Standard Modell. The barrel looks like an original mauser barrel, and had it been an Israeli rifle (one of the other few places that did upgrade the barrel) they would have scrubbed the writing on the side as well. Since it is a 98 mauser, the .308 is well within it's operating pressure.

        -Mb
        Thanks for all those info, a lot to soak in. Hard to google something when you don't know what you have .
        ...with liberty and justice for all. Void where prohibited, offer not valid everywhere, price may change. See Big Brother for details.
        Originally posted by zfields
        9mm might expand but .45 never shrinks!
        Originally posted by bwiese
        Constitutional rights are not dependent on your neighbors' opinions'.
        If you shop at Amazon.com please use the link below. A portion of your purchase goes to CGF.
        http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF...reative=390957

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        • #19
          Pete1979
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2011
          • 670

          if it is a large ring mauser in either 8mm or 308 I would give $75 in a heartbeat, the action is worth more than that stripped.

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          • #20
            Sailormilan2
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2006
            • 3452

            It is a Mauser 98 style action. Once can tell by the depth of the thumb notch. 98s have a deeper thumb notch than the small ring 95/96s. Plus you can just see edge of the ring in the picture of the left receiver rail that has the word Standard Modello. Also, the left hand locking lug on the bolt does not going all the way to bolt face rim.
            I agree with a previous poster that it is a Standard Model(lo) Mauser 98.
            It has a 98k style front sight. If it really is a 308 Win, there is a chance that it has been rebarreled by the Isrealis and the receiver has since been scrubbed.
            If you can, look down the bore and see if you an tell how many grooves the barrel has. Many Chilean 1912 Steyr made Mausers were rebarreled using 1903 Springfield barrels that were recontoured to Mauser 98 barrel contours and rechambered to .308Win/7.62x51NATO. Many of those have 2 groove barrels.
            As a large ring Mauser it is completely safe to fire any 308Win or 7.62x51NATO round in it.
            At $75 I would snap it up.
            Last edited by Sailormilan2; 06-05-2012, 8:11 PM.

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            • #21
              Crunch130
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 750

              BUY IT!! While it's worth less than a "1933 Standard Modell" that hasn't been scrubbed, it's worth a whole lot more than what he's asking, regardless of what caliber it's actually in.

              Crunch
              "The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army"- General George Washington July 2, 1776

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              • #22
                Low-Pressure
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 1758

                Thanks for all the info guys! What is an estimated value of this Mauser, and more importantly what kind of Mauser is it?
                Here as some more pictures:



                ...with liberty and justice for all. Void where prohibited, offer not valid everywhere, price may change. See Big Brother for details.
                Originally posted by zfields
                9mm might expand but .45 never shrinks!
                Originally posted by bwiese
                Constitutional rights are not dependent on your neighbors' opinions'.
                If you shop at Amazon.com please use the link below. A portion of your purchase goes to CGF.
                http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF...reative=390957

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                • #23
                  Low-Pressure
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 1758




                  ...with liberty and justice for all. Void where prohibited, offer not valid everywhere, price may change. See Big Brother for details.
                  Originally posted by zfields
                  9mm might expand but .45 never shrinks!
                  Originally posted by bwiese
                  Constitutional rights are not dependent on your neighbors' opinions'.
                  If you shop at Amazon.com please use the link below. A portion of your purchase goes to CGF.
                  http://www.amazon.com/?_encoding=UTF...reative=390957

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                  • #24
                    smle-man
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 10575

                    Well, it has a U.S. WW2 type M1 carbine sling on it. If it is original and not a reproduction that is worth some money by itself.

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                    • #25
                      mosinnagantm9130
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2009
                      • 8782

                      It's worth more than $75, buy it. I could swear the circled z is a czech marking.
                      Originally posted by GoodEyeSniper
                      My neighbors think I'm a construction worker named Bruce.

                      Little do they know that's just my stripper outfit and name.
                      Originally posted by ChopperX
                      I am currently cleaning it and I noticed when I squeeze the snake this white paste like substance comes out. What the heck is this crap?
                      Originally posted by Jeff L
                      Don't D&T a virgin milsurp rifle. You'll burn in collector hell.

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                      • #26
                        emcon5
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3347

                        Originally posted by Sailormilan2
                        At $75 I would snap it up.
                        This.

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                        • #27
                          cheapblaster
                          Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 160

                          Originally posted by mosinnagantm9130
                          It's worth more than $75, buy it. I could swear the circled z is a czech marking.
                          The circle Z IS a Czech proof mark. I can't make a case for the rifle being Czech unless there are other parts with the same mark but I can't rule that out. The general configuration looks a lot like a VZ24.

                          Certainly not a Swede, if that is even a question at this point.
                          Swede Mausers have a straight wrist stock, do not use the "H" style front band, have different front and rear sights than the rifle pictured has, and do not have capture screws holding the floor plate. The butt plate is not right, either.

                          The partial marking including "modell" indicates civilian production. At that point my knowledge is murky, but I'm thinking that Gun Toting Monkey Boy is on track.

                          It [I]might[I] [be chambered in 8mm mauser, it is unlikely that it is [I]not[I]however putting an 8mm round in the chamber and pulling the trigger is a REALLY poor way to prove this one way or another.

                          But 75 bucks for a Mauser, you CAN"T go wrong, really.

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                          • #28
                            Sailormilan2
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3452

                            I believe that the only company that would put Standard Modello on the side of the receiver would be Mauser. If that is the case then the front ring should have the should have the Mauser banner on it. Since the Mauser banner is not present, then the receiver has been scrubbed.
                            The bolt shroud has grind marks at the top. This was often done to get rid of the German/Nazi Eagle and Swastica proof markings that were often stamped there.
                            As for the bore, take a 30 caliber bullet and see if it drops down the barrel. If the bore is 8mm, it will drop freely. If it is one of the 30 cals (308, 30-06, or the 7.65 cal) the bullet will not completely enter the bore. That will at least narrow it down.
                            But again, for $75 it is a steal.

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                            • #29
                              PEZHEAD265
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 980

                              FOR 75 BUCKS any mauser is worth double that or more .What are you waiting for.

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                              • #30
                                Pete1979
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 670

                                Looks like a VZ 24 stock with a K98 bolt, barrel and a Mauser commercial receiver.

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