New CMP Offer on Garands

[toro1]

The CMP is starting a new "Buy it Now" option for Garands. It isn't quite clear (to me anyway) what non reclaimed means, but I think it means Garands that have not been worked on by CMP after they received them. The other definition they have used in the past was for reclaimed drill rifles, but I don't think these were ever drill rifles. The article says they will start listing these rifles this Thurs at 9AM EST will continue on Thursday mornings after that. I did not see a price listed.

https://thecmp.org/the-cmp-launches-exciting-new-buy-now-sales-site-for-legacy-non-reclaimed-m1-surplus-rifles/

[Spyder]

The CMP is starting a new "Buy it Now" option for Garands. It isn't quite clear (to me anyway) what non reclaimed means, but I think it means Garands that have not been worked on by CMP aftey received them. The other definition they have used in the past was for reclaimed drill rifles, but I don't think these were ever drill rifles. The article says they will start listing these rifles this Thurs at 9AM EST will continue on Thursday mornings after that. I did not see a price listed.

https://thecmp.org/the-cmp-launches-...urplus-rifles/

Reclaimed receivers are explained IN DEPTH by the CMP halfway through that article you linked o. How do you not understand?

[bigbossman]

Reclaimed receivers are explained IN DEPTH by the CMP halfway through that article you linked o. How do you not understand?

Yup. From the website:

A reclaimed rifle is a firearm that was previously a drill rifle, rendered inoperable by minimally invasive means that maintains the general structural integrity of the receiver.

[toro1]

Reclaimed receivers are explained IN DEPTH by the CMP halfway through that article you linked o. How do you not understand?

Reclaimed is clearly defined, but non reclaimed is not. Non reclaimed may be welded drill rifles that were not processed by CMP, but some of the CMP statements make it sound like they are original rifles that were never checked by CMP. If they are welded receivers used for parades, they did not need a new classification.

If you read the emails after the article, especially responses by CMP personnel, the water seeems a bit muddy to me. All that being said, I have never been to one of their stores and if I had and been able to see a non reclaimed one, it might make more sense. If its crystal clear to you, great!

[CALI-gula]

Reclaimed is clearly defined, but non reclaimed is not. Non reclaimed may be welded drill rifles that were not processed by CMP, but some of the CMP statements make it sound like they are original rifles that were never checked by CMP. If they are welded receivers used for parades, they did not need a new classification.

If you read the emails after the article, especially responses by CMP personnel, the water seeems a bit muddy to me. All that being said, I have never been to one of their stores and if I had and been able to see a non reclaimed one, it might make more sense. If its crystal clear to you, great!

Could "Non reclaimed" mean they are just old warehouse stock and never issued, probably post Korean war, and could be in mint condition?? They describe them as 'These M1 rifles are sourced from original U.S. military surplus stocks and have not undergone reclamation or modification'.

Or those that were not lend-lease to foreign countries like the Philippines or Korea but previously distributed to things like National Guard, Veteran's or VFW use purposes, State Militias (when that was still a thing) and similar nonmilitary guards after the Korean war? So they were essentially always on loan but in storage in case SHTF in the U.S. but on loan not to a foreign entity?

And now that a lot of those organizations are dissolving they are doing the right thing by turning them back over to the CMP for redistribution rather than having them destroyed or state tyrannical DOJs like those in CA, NY, or Massachusetts from taking them in and doing away with them?

Just guessing, taking a stab. Have no idea. Their website link sales status of "non reclaimed" rifles says:

Non-Reclaimed Rifles

• Existing inventories lower than CMP historical norms
• Sold in physical stores (possibly in limited quantities) and via the CMP Auction site via a ‘Buy it Now’ format – more details on timing and process to be published.
• No further general mail order sales . . . for now
• Camp Perry store during the National Matches – good inventory of non-reclaimed rifles pre-positioned
• CMP working to replenish rifle stocks via a variety of means

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[microwaveguy]

My thoughts are people are over thinking this. Non-reclaimed are just ones that have been turned in from some foreign country and are sold after being checked out. Reclaimed are receivers that were made into drill rifles and are now being unmodified and brought back to useable condition. Will i buy one ......... I am undecided. Since I am only a 12 hour drive to the south store and I can actually look at rifles and decide , so maybe.

The CMP is also starting to sell their own reproduction M1 Garand. I think it is a little pricey for what it is but then it is hard to find anything under $1500 at a local gun show.

[The Gleam]

My thoughts are people are over thinking this. Non-reclaimed are just ones that have been turned in from some foreign country and are sold after being checked out. Reclaimed are receivers that were made into drill rifles and are now being unmodified and brought back to useable condition. Will i buy one ......... I am undecided. Since I am only a 12 hour drive to the south store and I can actually look at rifles and decide , so maybe.

The CMP is also starting to sell their own reproduction M1 Garand. I think it is a little pricey for what it is but then it is hard to find anything under $1500 at a local gun show.

If that were the case they would be the usual lend lease guns and have import marks. These do not - and they say on the website they come from US warehouse storage. What storage that is has not been disclosed. I'm sure they'll expand on that soon because there's lots of the same questions on the CMP site forums.

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[microwaveguy]

If that were the case they would be the usual lend lease guns and have import marks. These do not - and they say on the website they come from US warehouse storage. What storage that is has not been disclosed. I'm sure they'll expand on that soon because there's lots of the same questions on the CMP site forums.

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All of the CMP rifles and pistols come from the Army after they have been returned to them either from a foreign country or a VFW unit and don't receive an import mark. Firearms that come on the market via an importer are import marked.

Army warehouse is in Anniston, AL. before being transferred to the CMP.

[The Gleam]

All of the CMP rifles and pistols come from the Army after they have been returned to them either from a foreign country or a VFW unit and don't receive an import mark. Firearms that come on the market via an importer are import marked.

Army warehouse is in Anniston, AL. before being transferred to the CMP.

We'll see - they already had a handful up for auction, more to come, but I don't think any were lend-lease guns from foreign territories.

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[socal m1 shooter]

Any of you ever make the pilgrimage to one of their stores? Was it worth it?

[microwaveguy]

We'll see - they already had a handful up for auction, more to come, but I don't think any were lend-lease guns from foreign territories.

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I am curious where you think the Army gets these rifles if they are not returned to them via the MAP program ( military assistance program) via a foreign country?

[The Gleam]

I am curious where you think the Army gets these rifles if they are not returned to them via the MAP program ( military assistance program) via a foreign country?

They clearly advised 'warehouses' which could also be considered long held storage by arsenals, depots, Camp Perry, National Guard, prior State militias, VFW, military museums, the Springfield Armory Museum, even archived storage and reference collections by the military itself.

And it's just a handful, not thousands, so those sources would make sense. Those would not be foreign sources. It happens.

There were plenty of Garands in National Guard hands well up through the 1980s - I know of at least 10 in the Ohio National Guard possession as of May 4th, 1970.

In my collection I have a documented CMP purchased previously 'foil wrapped' unissued Springfield Garand circa 1956 that was sold by the CMP in 2003. Not a mark on it. It sat in a US warehouse for decades. It never left the country.

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[BrokerB]

Still kind of bummed I canceled my pre-order of the 762 NATO Garand 10 or so years back

[bigbossman]

If that were the case they would be the usual lend lease guns and have import marks. These do not - and they say on the website they come from US warehouse storage. What storage that is has not been disclosed. I'm sure they'll expand on that soon because there's lots of the same questions on the CMP site forums.

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Wrong. None of the CMP Garands I have that were returned from other countries have import marks on them. None.

[socal m1 shooter]

"Import marks" taken broadly could include stuff electropenciled on various parts like different European military armorers were known to do (such as partial serial numbers on bolts, likely to prevent headspace issues). But yeah no import marks in the strict "Century Arms" style, printed permanently on barrels/receivers.