Another unusual and unique Garand

[sofbak]

Well here's another "rare" Garand that seems to be slipping under the radar. Honestly, the auction text composers at LS&B simply don't understand what they are representing.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1051399730

[sbo80]

still 8 days left though. Even when there's stuff I want, I rarely bother to bid until late. With the 15 min rule there's no advantage to early bidding.
I don't know anything about this particular one. Some things are very specific/narrow collecting areas not everyone knows about. Can be to your advantage of course, for those who "know". I passed up an accessory at an estate sale that was dirt cheap, that I just couldn't identify by memory, but not quite cheap enough to just get anyway. Of course turned out to be something extremely rare and I regret missing out. If you're gonna collect something, the more you know...

[bigbossman]

Up to $1,975 with 4 days to go. Interesting rifle for sure, but the DGR pimp-shine is kind of a turn-off.

[2761377]

what exactly is missing from the description? in your opinion, of course.

at CMP forums, LSB has reputation of doing very well for its consignors. fwiw, I disagree with you about the value of that NM rifle.

[sofbak]

what exactly is missing from the description? in your opinion, of course.

at CMP forums, LSB has reputation of doing very well for its consignors. fwiw, I disagree with you about the value of that NM rifle.

Well, ok. I called this one unusual and unique. Let's start with unique..

It took the LS&B auction writers three attempts to capture the "pedigree" of this Garand. Original write up gave no info, even tho there were doc scans of the receipt from DGR and a copy of their 03 FFL license that (presumably) accompanied the DGR sale of this rifle.

And in their first revision, they acknowledged the pedigree with Dean Dillabaugh and Mac McCoy-hooray for ls&b! But (incredibly) that first revision also contained a statement: "We do not have paperwork to confirm the purchase." Wait a minute.....the sales receipt and C&R license was included in the original photo gallery. And the rifle was id'd by Make (Breda), Model (M1 Garand), and serial # 8600. What kind of paperwork do they need to "confirm the purchase?"

And then on their second revision, they finally realized that they did indeed have the sales receipt for this rifle. duh.....

Now let's talk about unusual.

Breda Mechanica Romana is the Italian equivalent to the US Springfield Armory. A government division that manufactures small arms for their military. BMR also made Garands for Denmark and a few middle eastern countries as well. So BMR made tens of thousands of Garands. And while these rifles were plentiful in europe and the mid-east, there was no US government or US based commercial operations that imported any italian made Garands into the US:

- The US Governments didn't import them
- DCM/CMP didn't import them
- Arlington Ordnance, Blue Sky International, or Century Arms International didn't import them

So, ask yourself these:

- How often have you seen a BMR Garand in "real life'?
- How often have you seen a BMR Garand for sale in the US?
- How did an italian manufactured Garand make its way into the US?

So regardless of how it got here, there are certainly very, very few of the rifles in the US. So, I would propose that its presence here is most unusual.....ymmv.

And ls&b presents nothing on this unusual opportunity. From their auction description, it's just another Garand.

.... fwiw, I disagree with you about the value of that NM rifle.

FWIW, this thread is about Breda Garand #8600...........

[sofbak]

Up to $1,975 with 4 days to go. Interesting rifle for sure, but the DGR pimp-shine is kind of a turn-off.

Says the man that bathes his Garand wood in BLO. I guess pimp "smell" is ok, but.....whatever.

[2761377]

Well, ok. I called this one unusual and unique. Let's start with unique..

It took the LS&B auction writers three attempts to capture the "pedigree" of this Garand. Original write up gave no info, even tho there were doc scans of the receipt from DGR and a copy of their 03 FFL license that (presumably) accompanied the DGR sale of this rifle.

And in their first revision, they acknowledged the pedigree with Dean Dillabaugh and Mac McCoy-hooray for ls&b! But (incredibly) that first revision also contained a statement: "We do not have paperwork to confirm the purchase." Wait a minute.....the sales receipt and C&R license was included in the original photo gallery. And the rifle was id'd by Make (Breda), Model (M1 Garand), and serial # 8600. What kind of paperwork do they need to "confirm the purchase?"

And then on their second revision, they finally realized that they did indeed have the sales receipt for this rifle. duh.....

Now let's talk about unusual.

Breda Mechanica Romana is the Italian equivalent to the US Springfield Armory. A government division that manufactures small arms for their military. BMR also made Garands for Denmark and a few middle eastern countries as well. So BMR made tens of thousands of Garands. And while these rifles were plentiful in europe and the mid-east, there was no US government or US based commercial operations that imported any italian made Garands into the US:

- The US Governments didn't import them
- DCM/CMP didn't import them
- Arlington Ordnance, Blue Sky International, or Century Arms International didn't import them

So, ask yourself these:

- How often have you seen a BMR Garand in "real life'?
- How often have you seen a BMR Garand for sale in the US?
- How did an italian manufactured Garand make its way into the US?

So regardless of how it got here, there are certainly very, very few of the rifles in the US. So, I would propose that its presence here is most unusual.....ymmv.

And ls&b presents nothing on this unusual opportunity. From their auction description, it's just another Garand.

FWIW, this thread is about Breda Garand #8600...........

responding to the bolded, just this past April, it took a couple weeks to sell.

https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/marketplace/parts-for-sale-or-trade/m1-garand-aa/3525891-wts-breda-mechanica-romana-m-1-garand-for-the-danish-military

honestly, it isn't really difficult for aficionados to find an Italian Garand.

and that type 1 NM you gushed over a couple weeks ago wasn't anything special, either. not the best condition, $4k wasn't any special "score" as you put it.

[Mezcalfud]

LSB has done great for me but you do have to help them in some cases with description/details.

[empirearms]

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honestly, it isn't really difficult for aficionados to find an Italian Garand.

The term UNIQUE hardly applies to any Breda-made M1 Garand.

Over the years we have bought and (quickly) sold the following Breda M1 Garands:

Serial numbers 9780, 8140. 5296, 3001, 2481, 5799 & 5296

Don't even ask me about the Garands made by BERETTA that we have bought and sold.

[sofbak]

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The term UNIQUE hardly applies to any Breda-made M1 Garand.

Over the years we have bought and (quickly) sold the following Breda M1 Garands:

Serial numbers 9780, 8140. 5296, 3001, 2481, 5799 & 5296

Don't even ask me about the Garands made by BERETTA that we have bought and sold.

OK. Then explain how you got them into the US market. And how many bmr rifles have been through your sales?
Scarcity in th US is what I was claiming as unusual.

[empirearms]

OK. Then explain how you got them into the US market.

They were all from existing collections (where we acquire 99% of our stock).
We currently have over 26,000 customers, many of whom are planning to sell their collections to us when the time (inevitably) comes.

And how many bmr rifles have been through your sales?

I listed the serial numbers of the BMR rifles we have sold in my post above. I actually have been offered a great many of them that we didn't purchase, usually because the sellers erroneously thought they were worth more than we did. EMPIRE ARMS is in the business for actually SELLING guns, not simply offering guns for sale (there IS a difference).

Scarcity in the US is what I was claiming as unusual.

You didn't say scarce, you said unique (which isn't true).
I agree that they are scarce, but I wouldn't use the term rare (or unique) to describe them.

[sofbak]

$2925!!?!?!?

For a "not unique", "not unusual", common lowly plentiful BMR Garand.....yeah.

Ha!

[Mezcalfud]

I didn't know Dennis is on CGF, Elvis IS in the building!

[sofbak]

So where did:

This "Dennis" from empire arms

2761377

Big bossman

Go?????

When this rifle turned $2925, all three of these "value" experts fled to the cricket farm!

Are you three choking on plates of crow, or are you still trynna get your feet outta your mouths???

I should thank all three of you, at least you demonstrated your total lack of knowledge WRT collector grade/museum grade Garands..

Again, $2925 for a garden variety rifle....

[bigbossman]

So where did:

This "Dennis" from empire arms

2761377

Big bossman

Go?????

When this rifle turned $2925, all three of these "value" experts fled to the cricket farm!

Are you three choking on plates of crow, or are you still trynna get your feet outta your mouths???

I should thank all three of you, at least you demonstrated your total lack of knowledge WRT collector grade/museum grade Garands..

Again, $2925 for a garden variety rifle....

Still here, no need to be a jackass.

And if you'll check the thread, I never opined as to its value, I just gave my OPINION that I don't care for pimp shined Garands.

Here - let me refresh your memory:

Up to $1,975 with 4 days to go. Interesting rifle for sure, but the DGR pimp-shine is kind of a turn-off.