Mosin Question

[hypnoman]

How funny my 1st Mosin was for a SHTF event! lol

Well Happy Birthday, Calgunner jgraham!! A very cool gift from a very cool brother!

[BigRig81]

Happy Birthday to you Bro You know Dad's jelly of us right? haha. I've got my MN apart now, ready to compare springs, etc. Thanks everyone for the help, it's greatly appreciated.

[Fate]

Everyone with a Mosin is probably aware that is a pretty lame safety and pretty much sucks balls.

The safety on a Mosin Nagant is one of the most bombproof designs ever made. Virtually impossible to accidentally disengage. Operating it does not require strength or two hands like some believe. It's a simple case of technique over muscle.

To engage/disengage safety, hold forearm and weight of rifle with weak side hand. Place butt of rifle in the crook of your strong side elbow, up against bicep. Strong side hand grasps and pulls back on cocking piece and rotates it counterclockwise to safe or clockwise to take it off safe. The counterpressure created by pulling the cocking piece against your own arm makes the task simple and virtually effortless compared to trying to pull it back while trying to generate counterpressure with the weak side arm. Using the right technique, the weak side arm is just balancing the rifle.

[jgraham7897]

Happy Birthday to you Bro You know Dad's jelly of us right? haha. I've got my MN apart now, ready to compare springs, etc. Thanks everyone for the help, it's greatly appreciated.

Thank you for an awesome gift. Now we just need to figure out how to keep your bolt from locking up.

[hypnoman]

And Rotate it 10 minutes?? More like about 25 degrees.
10 minutes is 1/6th of 1 degree. Thats wont get you very far.

10 minutes on the "clock face" I try to avoid jargons for those who may not be "into" it. That's why I say clockwise.

I am aware of many "goodies" the aftermarket offers for the Mosin. It's just many Mosin owners have a hard time justifying a "part" costing as much or more than the rifle.

While you are "sure" all Mosin owners are aware of its original safety, I doubt many "first time" owners are aware of many things about their Mosin "before" hand. Hence, all the questions posted by "new" owners.

In my sharing, I work very hard to not make "assumptions". I find "most" mistakes are made from inaccurate assumptions.

I shared my insights with an interested fellow Calgunner . . . as I often humbly ask advice from others in the "know" about "how things work as I am fascinated. I don't frown on any of the neat things available in the aftermarket, either. I like to take them apart, too, to experience better understanding.

I would humbly appologize if my simple expression of 10 minutes (on a clockface) is misunderstood. Let's see 15 minutes on clockface = 90 degrees. So, I bet a 60 degree turn counter clockwise is 10 minutes on clockface. Boy, I'm glad someone didn't try to turn something 1/6 of 1 dgree without using a micrometer!!

[hypnoman]

The safety on a Mosin Nagant is one of the most bombproof designs ever made. Virtually impossible to accidentally disengage. Operating it does not require strength or two hands like some believe. It's a simple case of technique over muscle.

To engage/disengage safety, hold forearm and weight of rifle with weak side hand. Place butt of rifle in the crook of your strong side elbow, up against bicep. Strong side hand grasps and pulls back on cocking piece and rotates it counterclockwise to safe or clockwise to take it off safe. The counterpressure created by pulling the cocking piece against your own arm makes the task simple and virtually effortless compared to trying to pull it back while trying to generate counterpressure with the weak side arm. Using the right technique, the weak side arm is just balancing the rifle.

I could'nt have described it better. I love it and use it all the time . . . all that and came "free" with the rifle. lol

[mosinnagantm9130]

The safety on a Mosin Nagant is one of the most bombproof designs ever made. Virtually impossible to accidentally disengage. Operating it does not require strength or two hands like some believe. It's a simple case of technique over muscle.

To engage/disengage safety, hold forearm and weight of rifle with weak side hand. Place butt of rifle in the crook of your strong side elbow, up against bicep. Strong side hand grasps and pulls back on cocking piece and rotates it counterclockwise to safe or clockwise to take it off safe. The counterpressure created by pulling the cocking piece against your own arm makes the task simple and virtually effortless compared to trying to pull it back while trying to generate counterpressure with the weak side arm. Using the right technique, the weak side arm is just balancing the rifle.

What fate said^^

True, the mosin safety can be a bit of a bear if you don't know the technique, but once you do it's a very simple, easy to use design.

[jgraham7897]

All I know is I am chomping at the bits to go and shoot this beautiful piece of history. I know some people think Mosins are ugly but I like the way it looks. Any good tips on how to get the bayonet to fit properly?

[hypnoman]

I fear you are already hooked if you begin saying it's beautiful, hahaha . . .

I used to think they were ugly . . . don't know where the change happened, the change!!

Those bayos are ramdomly tossed in as part of the "combo" I have never mounted mine. They just sit in a bucket . . . perhaps sanding, filing, dremelling carefully!!

Can't wait for you range report!!

[Peter.Steele]

I hope you know from these posts that your Mosin is "not" unsafe to shoot.

Dude, if you can smack the butt against the floor and get the rifle to fire, then ... well, let's just say that your definition of "unsafe" and my definition are significantly different.

[hypnoman]

Notice I said . . . "to shoot" I never keep or handle my range guns loaded "before" I point them down range. That's empty in transport and empty in storage. Empty in claening. Empty in handling away from range. Meaning is often determined with context when I speak . . .

We also cannot tell how hard he is stiking the butt. . . as we smack, strike, slam, to what degree . . . also hard to define. Pics of his parts show probably no wear . . . I also expressed concern over the unusual marks on that sear. I only speak what I know from my experience. I do not speak for you . . . and gave no reply to your "seemingly fearful advice" until now.

I have also checked some of my friends' very expensive target rifles with "professional" work done. Surprise . . . I have slammed many of them hard enough to trip that light trigger.

Maybe better to tell the man to bring it to a gunsmith . . . oh, but I already suggested that if he were unsure.

Since you can tell this is his first Mosin, what makes you think buying a new trigger and sear spring would change anything . . . maybe I can send him specs on these pieces and templates to show acceptable specs. Maybe he should take apart the bolt and inspect firing pin spring, too. It is a relationship of all these parts and I didn't mention checking the specs of the receiver. But all this might be too much too soon.

Whatever the case, I am willing to be helpful. I just don't feel carrying, handling, and storing an empty gun is unsafe . . . I am careful "when" I put that loaded round in though . . . but I guess we gun owners are responsible enough to check and abide by these suggestions . . . yes?

Oooh, unsafe to shoot is too little or too much headspace. I check each on mine "before" I shoot to make sure they are safe to shoot . . . along with other areas to be checked . . . but this might be too much to discuss here.

[BigRig81]

We just tested the "butt smack" literally 5 seconds ago, it takes quite a good smack to get the gun to go off, seems legit.

Also, we compared our sear springs, he will post pics. Mine has more of a curve to it than his, you'll see when he shows you.

[jgraham7897]

I fear you are already hooked if you begin saying it's beautiful, hahaha . . .

I used to think they were ugly . . . don't know where the change happened, the change!!

Those bayos are ramdomly tossed in as part of the "combo" I have never mounted mine. They just sit in a bucket . . . perhaps sanding, filing, dremelling carefully!!

Can't wait for you range report!!

I thought I had read somewhere a guide on how to do it but can't find it anymore. Also here is the pic of the two sear springs. The one on top is my brother's and the one on the bottom is mine. Pretty noticeable difference.

[jgraham7897]

So should I replace the sear spring or leave it? Could this be the cause of the trigger wiggle?

[steve91104]

great thread!