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  • senorpeligro
    Senior Member
    CGN Contributor
    • Jun 2011
    • 508

    Interesting Scenario

    CA seller. CA buyer also 03 FFL. Both physically out of state. Would the purchase of a C&R handgun less than 50 years old be a legal transaction as far as CA is concerned?
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    senorpeligro
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    • Jun 2011
    • 508

    What say you, crufflers?

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    • #3
      OHOD
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      • Jan 2009
      • 11047

      Oooo, that's a good one.

      Me thinks the law in the state they are in prevails?
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      • #4
        OniKoroshi
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2011
        • 1321

        I would think that would fly. The end user will have to pay the fee. It would be same as end user buying it themself would think. Of course the log book would have to be filled in.

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        • #5
          senorpeligro
          Senior Member
          CGN Contributor
          • Jun 2011
          • 508

          End user being CA resident with 03 FFL and fee being the $19 handgun reg on import into CA?

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          • #6
            OniKoroshi
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 1321

            You know what I think I read your scenario incorrectly. Let me take my post back before I start FUD.

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            • #7
              senorpeligro
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • Jun 2011
              • 508

              Originally posted by OniKoroshi
              You know what I think I read your scenario incorrectly. Let me take my post back before I start FUD.


              Thanks, this is an interesting scenario.

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              • #8
                Toyman321
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 1620

                You are bound by the laws of the state you are in at the time of the transaction. Assuming the gun is listed in the "Brown Book", the pistol is otherwise legal in CA and all mags are legal or disassembled you are good to go. Bring it on home, send in your $19, log it in your book, and call it a day.

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                • #9
                  TheExpertish
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 3451

                  Originally posted by Toyman321
                  You are bound by the laws of the state you are in at the time of the transaction. Assuming the gun is listed in the "Brown Book", the pistol is otherwise legal in CA and all mags are legal or disassembled you are good to go. Bring it on home, send in your $19, log it in your book, and call it a day.
                  I think I'm in league with Toyman and OHOD. As 03 license holders we're federal, and state laws only apply as long as you're in that state. Only thing that would keep me from traveling out of state for every transaction I'd want is gas.
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                  • #10
                    senorpeligro
                    Senior Member
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                    • Jun 2011
                    • 508

                    I'm probably overthinking this. Thanks!

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                    • #11
                      Mr.Sandman
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 557

                      Originally posted by senorpeligro
                      I'm probably overthinking this. Thanks!
                      If the seller is also a CA resident that had the gun dros'd to them they would have to fill out a no longer in possession form.

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                      • #12
                        morrcarr67
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 15018

                        Originally posted by Mr.Sandman
                        If the seller is also a CA resident that had the gun dros'd to them they would have to fill out a no longer in possession form.
                        No they don't. When the 03 FFL fills out the C&R Handgun Reporting form it would then be listed in the states data base as theirs.
                        Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                        Originally posted by Erion929

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                        • #13
                          morrcarr67
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 15018

                          Originally posted by senorpeligro
                          CA seller. CA buyer also 03 FFL. Both physically out of state. Would the purchase of a C&R handgun less than 50 years old be a legal transaction as far as CA is concerned?
                          Yes. Federal says that a FFL may take delivery at any location. Being an 03 FFL you make take delivery of a C&R handgun from anyone at anyplace. As long as state laws say it's ok. In most states outside of CA it is OK.
                          Last edited by morrcarr67; 12-18-2011, 8:05 AM.
                          Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                          Originally posted by Erion929

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                          • #14
                            senorpeligro
                            Senior Member
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                            • Jun 2011
                            • 508

                            Thanks for all the interesting info. Clearly CA can't extend it's tendrils into the law of other states.

                            Isn't freedom grand?

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                            • #15
                              OHOD
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                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 11047

                              So if me and another California happen to meet in Reno and I buy his 50+ year old handgun, then I'm good to go for a FTF transfer. No FFL01 needed, that's if it's okay to do that kind of transfer in Nebada'ss
                              Right?
                              Since I am an 03 FFL.

                              But these points come to mind.

                              1. If the firearm is registered in California, then doesn't the former owner have to send in a form that says he no longer owns said firearm?

                              2. Of course the new owner would have to register and send in the infamous 19 FRN's.
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                              Sip your Victory Gin folks, time's are a changin'

                              Time it was, and what a time it was, it was
                              A time of innocence, A time of confidences
                              Long ago, it must be, I have a photograph
                              Preserve your memories; They're all that's left you

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