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  • John Browning
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2006
    • 8089

    Can I mail a complete 1890 Win reciever via USPS?

    I'm a licensed C&R shipping to an 01 FFL. Priority mail Ok? Thanks.
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  • #2
    morrcarr67
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jul 2010
    • 15018

    If that is a rifle receiver, yes.
    Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

    Originally posted by Erion929

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    • #3
      morrcarr67
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jul 2010
      • 15018

      Ship yes. Mail no.
      Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

      Originally posted by Erion929

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      • #4
        Dutch3
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Oct 2010
        • 14181

        1890 is an antique, not a firearm.
        Just taking up space in (what is no longer) the second-worst small town in California.

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        • #5
          morrcarr67
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jul 2010
          • 15018

          1890 could just be the model not the year made.
          Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

          Originally posted by Erion929

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          • #6
            Ed_Hazard
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2008
            • 5146

            Long gun yes, hand gun no.






            11.1 Pistols, Revolvers, and Other Concealable Firearms

            11.1.1 Definitions

            The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:

            a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard.

            b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

            c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or that may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon.

            d. Other firearms capable of being concealed on the person include, but are not limited to, short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles.

            e. Short-barreled shotgun means a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long. The term short-barreled rifle means a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long. These definitions include any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled shotgun or rifle of greater dimension may be regarded as nonmailable when it has characteristics to allow concealment on the person.

            f. Licensed manufacturer and licensed dealer mean, respectively, a manufacturer of firearms or a bona fide dealer of firearms, duly licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury, under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), 18 USC 921, et seq.

            g. Antique firearm means any firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898, or any replica thereof, if such replica:

            1. Is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition.

            2. Uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

            11.1.2 Handguns

            Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and 11.1.6.

            11.1.3 Authorized Persons

            Subject to 11.1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person's official duties:

            a. Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps.

            b. Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district.

            c. Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment.

            d. USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector.

            e. Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States.

            f. Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district.

            g. Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e.

            11.1.4 Affidavit of Addressee

            Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 11.1.3 must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee's official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate:

            a. For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer.

            b. For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used.

            c. For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed.

            d. For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 11.1.3c. through 11.1.3e, Authorized Persons.

            11.1.5 Manufacturers and Dealers

            Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts.

            11.1.6 Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers

            A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 11.1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major component parts thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms.

            11.1.7 FBI Crime Detection Bureaus

            Handguns may be mailed without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6 if:

            a. Addressed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or its director, or to the scientific laboratory or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers or officers of a state, territory, or district authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment; or

            b. Offered by an authorized agent of the federal government as an official shipment to any qualified addressee in categories 11.1.3a. through 11.1.3g, or to a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms or to a federal agency.

            11.2 Antique Firearms

            Antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces may be accepted for mailing without regard to 11.1.3 through 11.1.6.

            11.3 Rifles and Shotguns

            Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.

            11.4 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms

            Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of rifles or shotguns. Contact the nearest office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further advice.
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            • #7
              lorax3
              Super Moderator
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2009
              • 4633

              Maybe Not. Unless the receiver was manufactured before 1898.

              ATF FAQ Says:

              Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
              A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

              [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)

              USPS Regulations

              12.1.2 Handguns
              [11-7-11] Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:

              a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.
              b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.
              c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
              d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
              The bolded sections note that you cannot ship handgun frame OR receivers. Does the work handgun also attach to receivers?

              Well, let's hope it's antique.

              USPS Regulations 12.1.1 Definitions
              [11-7-11] The terms used in this standard are defined as follows:

              a. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or any destructive device; but the term shall not include an antique firearm.

              h. Antique firearm means any muzzle loading rifle/shotgun/pistol, which is designed to use black powder or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition (except those that incorporate a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof); or any firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured on or before 1898
              Last edited by lorax3; 12-17-2011, 2:59 PM.
              You think you know, but you have no idea.

              The information posted here is not legal advice. If you seek legal advice hire an attorney who is familiar with all the facts of your case.

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              • #8
                TRAP55
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2008
                • 5536

                A Winchester Model 1890 receiver could have been made in 1890 or 1949, but either way it makes no difference, it's being mailed to a 01 FFL.
                Mail it Priority and Insured, and unless specifically asked, you do not have to disclose contents. It's a good idea not to, if you want it to arrive intact.

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                • #9
                  morrcarr67
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 15018

                  Originally posted by lorax3
                  Maybe Not. Unless the receiver was manufactured before 1898.

                  ATF FAQ Says:






                  The bolded sections note that you cannot ship mail handgun frame OR receivers. Does the word handgun also attach to receivers?

                  Well, let's hope it's antique.
                  Fixed.

                  What about how that section of code starts out:

                  USPS Regulations

                  12.1.2 Handguns
                  [11-7-11] Handguns and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 12.1.3 and 12.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 12.1.4 and 12.1.6, and are subject to the following:

                  a. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b, and the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 may be mailed between curio and relic collectors only when those firearms also meet the definition of an antique firearm under 12.1.1g.
                  b. Firearms meeting the definition of a handgun under 12.1.1b which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without regard to 12.1.3 through 12.1.6.
                  c. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a that are capable of being concealed on a person are mailable; but must include adult signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
                  d. Parts of handguns are mailable, except for handgun frames, receivers or other parts or components regulated under Chapter 44, Title 18, U.S.C.
                  I see your thinking though part "D" of that code is specific to what "Handgun" parts may or may not be mailed.
                  Last edited by morrcarr67; 12-17-2011, 4:04 PM.
                  Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.

                  Originally posted by Erion929

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