C&R Pistols

[dangerranger]

Im looking at a trip to AZ and want to stop at J&G. Im just curious as to the differances between the CZ82 and the Polish P64. some of the reviews hint at them being double action but the add doesnt say that they are. Im looking at getting two of each. one for the safe and one to shoot. Where can I find more info on them? Thanks DR

[dogfood]

from what ive read the double action on the p64 requires an ungodly amount of poundage, sometimes enough to render is essentially single action only. p64 is smaller and lighter and as such the recoil is noticeably "snappier".
the cz82 is great. solid and smooth. i own one and have no complaints whatsoever

[SoCal Bob]

If I may make a suggestion. Instead of getting something that just takes up space in a safe you might consider getting just one of each and a reinforced Walther P1 or a couple of great rifles.

[morrcarr67]

Bob has it right. Or, maybe 2 CZ82's. One for each hand.

[yellowsled]

The 82 is a fun gun to shoot. the 64, is more of a ccw weapon, very nice but hard on your hand due to the recoil on such a small weapon.

[morrcarr67]

Polish P-64

Characteristics

Type: Double Action
Calibers: 9x18 Makarov
Weight unloaded: 635 g
Length: 155 mm
Barrel length: 85 mm
Capacity: 6 rounds



The P-64 pistol (official designation 9 mm pistolet wz. 1964) has been developed in Poland during late 1950s and early 1960s, as a compact and lightweight replacement for Tokarev TT pistols, manufactured in Poland under soviet license. Following the Soviet road, Poland replaced the powerful 7.62x25mm ammunition with less powerful, but still effective 9x18 Makarov ammunition. P-64 has been used by both Polish military and police, and still could be found in holsters of some Polish police officers. In military service it has been superceded in mid-1980s by the P-83 pistol. The P-64 was small and light enough for a pocket or a concealed carry sidearm, but it has too small magazine, and too heavy trigger pull to be considered as a valuable service pistol. The severe felt recoil also did not helped to establish popularity for this gun.

P-64 is a blowback operated, semi-automatic weapon, made almost entirely of steel. P-64 is hammer fired, with double-action trigger and decocking safety, mounted at the left side of the slide. Safety features also include loaded chamber indicator in the form of a small pin, which protrudes from the back of the slide, above the hammer, when chamber is loaded with cartridge. Trigger guard is a separate unit, which is hinged to the frame and served as a disassembly lever when pulled down. Single stack magazine contains only 6 rounds, and magazine release catch is located at the bottom of the grip.

[morrcarr67]

CZ-82/83

Type: Double Action
Caliber 9x18 mm Makarov, 9x17 mm (.380ACP), 7.65x17 mm (.32ACP)
Overall length 172 mm
Weight 920 g loaded
Barrel length 96 mm
Magazine capacity 12 rounds (9mm), 15 rounds (7.65mm)


The Vz.82 pistol is a standard sidearm of the Czech army since 1982. Vz.82 was manufactured from 1983 to 1992, when it was merged with similar commercial design CZ-83 (originally offered in 7.65 Browning and 9mm Browning Short). Since 1992 and until now, only CZ-83 is manufactured in all three chamberings, to save the costs. Vz.82 was developed to replace the obsolete 7.62mm Vz.52 pistols then in service with Czechoslovak army. During early 1980s Czechoslovak army, under pressure from USSR, replaced the older 7.62x25mm ammunition with Soviet 9x18mm Makarov ammunition, which also required a new pistol. Instead of simply taking the Soviet design (Makarov PM) along with its cartridge, Czechs developed their own pistol, which, in some respects, is superior to the "gun of the big brother" (Makarov PM). They also produced their own 9x18 ammunition as "pistolovy naboj Vz.82", which they claimed to be 20% more powerful than standard Soviet 9x18 PM ammunition. The Vz.82 pistol, developed at the CZ factory in Uhersky Brod, has greater magazine capacity (12 rounds vs. 8), better fit and finish, and much better ergonomics. On the other hands, Vz.82 is more complicated and, thus, is more expensive to make. Still, it is an excellent and reliable pistol, one of the best defensive pistols on the market today. It is somewhat heavy by modern standards, but the all-steel construction makes it almost indestructible, and additional weigh helps to control pistol in rapid fire.

Seeing the commercial potential of this pistol, Czechs brought it to the international market under the designation of CZ-83. It is now available in its original chambering, 9x18mm Makarov, as well as in 9x17mm Browning Short (.380ACP) and 7.65x17mm Browning (.32ACP).

The CZ-83 is a blowback-operated pistol with fixed barrel. Return spring is located around the barrel. Double action trigger with exposed hammer has a very smooth pull in both SA and DA modes. Ambidextrous frame-mounted safety locks the slide and sear when engaged, allowing for "cocked and locked" carry. Frame and slide are made of high grade steel. Magazine capacity is 12 rounds, sights are of fixed type and dovetailed into the slide.

[Flintlock Tom]

I have both from J&G.
The CZ82 is a high-quality, easy-shooter that is very ergonomic. It has a smooth, light double action that is a pleasure to shoot. It has a manly heft that helps tame the sharp recoil.
The P64 is a light-weight, compact little service pistol that brutalizes your hand. I mean it is physically painful to shoot! Wear padded gloves. The double-action trigger requires the shooter to be an Eastern European weight-lifter on an adrenalin rush. It feels like a two-stage trigger that's hard and then gets harder. I put a lighter hammer spring in it that made the single-action pull almost dangerously light without affecting the double action very much.
I bought two of the P64s because they are relatively cheap, but, if I had it to do over I would just get one P64 and get a second CZ82.

[xbimmers]

Do you need a C&R FFL to be able to cash and carry at J&G? I sent in my application for my C&R FFL recently. Can I use my California C&R FFL in AZ?

Im looking at a trip to AZ and want to stop at J&G. Im just curious as to the differances between the CZ82 and the Polish P64. some of the reviews hint at them being double action but the add doesnt say that they are. Im looking at getting two of each. one for the safe and one to shoot. Where can I find more info on them? Thanks DR

[Flintlock Tom]

Do you need a C&R FFL to be able to cash and carry at J&G? I sent in my application for my C&R FFL recently. Can I use my California C&R FFL in AZ?

Yes, you need an 03 (C&R) FFL to C&C at J&G.
The C&R FFL is a Federal license that you use anywhere (Except in CA gun stores*)

*except in specific cases, under poorly understood conditions, for marginal benefit.

[xbimmers]

Thank you for the clarification.

yes California sux!!!!

Yes, you need an 03 (C&R) FFL to C&C at J&G.
The C&R FFL is a Federal license that you use anywhere (Except in CA gun stores*)

*except in specific cases, under poorly understood conditions, for marginal benefit.

[dangerranger]

thanks! I may pick up an extra CZ. those that go into the safe are not wasted or taking up space. they will be enjoyed till I sell them or give them to the kids . when the SKS could be had for $56 I got several. the kids shot and enjoyed them. when I saw that I could get $400 each for them I sold them and bought the boys Varmit rifles now we are enjoying those. DR