Using 03 FFL for business

[TRICKSTER]

http://www.curio-restoration.com/

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=249690744

Wonder how long it will be before ATF shuts this down and starts doing more audits of 03 FFL's

[morrcarr67]

Some people just don't get it.

[Toyman321]

Maybe I missed it, I just skimmed it, but it looks like he's selling a restoration service, not buying and selling the guns themselves.

[TRICKSTER]

Maybe I missed it, I just skimmed it, but it looks like he's selling a restoration service, not buying and selling the guns themselves.

"Here's how this works. You have a C&R Rifle that you'd love to see restored and looking beautiful. I send you my FFL C&R license and then you ship me the rifle with money order and pre-paid return shipping tag/label."

[CaliB&R]

Doesn't the the 03FFL say you can't buy with the intention of selling as a 01FFL dealer would? Since he is running a restoration business I think he might be ok in that aspect. And since he is only doing finishes, I don't think he needs a 07FFL for gunsmithing.

Of course I am just speculating and could be totally wrong, IANAL.

[Ubermcoupe]

Is restoration considered "smithing"??? i.e. 01ffl?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Is restoration considered "smithing"??? i.e. 01ffl?

ATF thinks so...

Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms?

Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmiths.html

[TheExpertish]

Is restoration considered "smithing"??? i.e. 01ffl?

I don't think it is. He's not performing repairs or restoration that fix or improve the function of the weapon. However, I see a grey area for how he's using his FFL as far as the shipping goes. He's not making money off buying and selling weapons so I think he might be okay, correct? I think we need the Librarian in on this one. Looks like he does great work. Might use him if it turns out he's on the up and up.

[TheExpertish]

ATF thinks so...



http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/gunsmiths.html

Ah, well that settles that.

[Flyin Brian]

I liked the before pictures. The after pictures are upsetting. Milsurps dont need a pimp shine.

[TRICKSTER]

I wouldn't want to have to try to explain all those bound book acquisitions and dispositions.

[TheExpertish]

I just sent the guy an nice email. I like his work, but would not want things so "shiny". Would hate to see a fellow collector get in trouble over a lack of understanding. We're all here to help each other out.

[GOEX FFF]

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=249690744

YUCK...

[John Browning]

Those rifles look terrible as restorations, and I think it is pretty clear that this isn't being done in relation to the improvement of a personal collection.

[mosinnagantm9130]

LOL restoration. Last time I checked pimp shining was bubba....