c&r handguns?

[novass]

ok so if you have a 03ffl you can go out of state and buy a c&r handgun bring it back to the state send in a form with 19 bucks and its ok?so why cand you buy a C&r handgun online get it sent to your home and send the form off? its the same thing minus the face to face transfer what am i missing?

[TRICKSTER]

ok so if you have a 03ffl you can go out of state and buy a c&r handgun bring it back to the state send in a form with 19 bucks and its ok?so why cand you buy a C&r handgun online get it sent to your home and send the form off? its the same thing minus the face to face transfer what am i missing?

You aren't missing anything. The problem is that you are trying to apply logic to California Gun Laws.

[novass]

my head herts now i just sent off my paperwork and trying to wade though all the laws. it is stated that you cant mail order a pistol in the ca. laws?

[dfletcher]

ok so if you have a 03ffl you can go out of state and buy a c&r handgun bring it back to the state send in a form with 19 bucks and its ok?so why cand you buy a C&r handgun online get it sent to your home and send the form off? its the same thing minus the face to face transfer what am i missing?

CA hasn't quite yet figured how to screw with a federally issued license when you are physically out of the state. Give them time, they'll come up with it being illegal for a C & R FFL to import a firearm unless through an FFL Dealer, that way you can still buy it, but as soon as you hit the border you'll be in violation of CA law.

[Croweman08]

i just did this at the big reno gun show. buying a handgun and walking away with it was a euphoric experience!!! To hell with Kalifornia!!!!

[morrcarr67]

That's why I have 2 licenses. One here and one in Nevada. Handguns and anything else that can't be sent to California goes to my NV license.

[novass]

ok i just read the ca. firearm law sumary booklet on the doj web site and didnt see anything about mail ordering a pistol were do i find out more about the c&r laws in ca.???

[Quiet]

CA laws say firearms need to be transfered through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 12072(d)]

Only "C&R" exemption to this is for long guns that are 50+ years old. [PC 12078(t)(2)]

Therefore, C&R handguns need to be transfered through a CA FFL dealer even though the recipiant has a C&R FFL.

C&R handguns are exempt from the approved list. [PC 12125(b)(3)]

C&R FFL + valid COE = no 10 day wait on C&R firearms. [PC 12078(t)(1)]

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...it is stated that you cant mail order a pistol in the ca. laws?

12072(d) Where neither party to the transaction holds a dealer's license issued pursuant to Section 12071, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale, loan, or transfer of that firearm through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Section 12082.

The 12078(t)(2) exemption is why C&R FFLs can have 50+ year old C&R long guns shipped to their door in California.

[novass]

I'm shure I seen that if you buy a c&r pistol out of state that you just have to fill out a form and send it off I will have to look for the code number again

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I'm shure I seen that if you buy a c&r pistol out of state that you just have to fill out a form and send it off I will have to look for the code number again

Yes, it's perfectly legal for a C&R FFL from California to travel outside of California and acquire C&R handguns and C&R long guns of any age. The handguns just need to be registered by sending in the form along with $19 per handgun within five days of returning to California...

Where a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, acquires a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, outside of this state, takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports that firearm into this state, within five days of that licensed collector transporting that firearm into this state, he or she shall report to the department in a format prescribed by the department his or her acquisition of that firearm.

[novass]

Ok ithink I got it so you can go buy it out of state because of your c&r and you can bring it in the state because it is already yours but you can't mail order one because to take posession of a handgun in the state it has to got to a 01ffl. Sorry still trying tobecome a lawyer so I can buy guns in this state

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Ok ithink I got it so you can go buy it out of state because of your c&r and you can bring it in the state because it is already yours but you can't mail order one because to take posession of a handgun in the state it has to got to a 01ffl.

Exactly. You've got it.

[M. D. Van Norman]

As usual, I will be the voice in the wilderness. California law does not prohibit a licensed collector from acquiring a C&R handgun in interstate commerce.

That said, if a licensed collector accepts the notion that C&R handguns are illegal to acquire, then he must also conclude that C&R long guns are similarly illegal to acquire in interstate commerce (at least from major retailers). The 50-year exemption for C&R long guns cannot reasonably apply to any entity that sells firearms as a business. A handful of sales by a private GunBroker seller would not be illegal, but the dozens or hundreds or thousands of rifles sold by AIM or Samco clearly would be.

[Flintlock Tom]

I didn't understand any of what you said.

That said, if a licensed collector accepts the notion that C&R handguns are illegal to acquire, then he must also conclude that C&R long guns are similarly illegal to acquire in interstate commerce (at least from major retailers).

Why? California law makes a clear distinction between handguns and long guns.

The 50-year exemption for C&R long guns cannot reasonably apply to any entity that sells firearms as a business.

That doesn't sound "reasonable" at all.

A handful of sales by a private GunBroker seller would not be illegal, but the dozens or hundreds or thousands of rifles sold by AIM or Samco clearly would be.

No "logic" here either. CA Regs. only regulate what CA citizens may receive, not who they may receive them from and not what out-of-state vendors may sell.