Little ID help here...

[Lostsheep]

I need a little help to identify the following rifles. They have been in my family for a long time and I have no idea where to begin to figure out what exactly they are. Any and all help is appreciated.





Thanks in advance

[swifty]

Look on the locks and barrels for makers ID.

[Lostsheep]

I do not see anything that looks like a makers mark. There is some ornate engraving but that's about it. Nothing looks like a mark.

[PEZHEAD265]

Look At Track of the Wolf's web site an antique guns. He has guns similiar to yours around the $2000.00 range and maybe he can help you identify them, they look like old Kentucky Sharp shooter long rifles very nice pieces.

[morrcarr67]

Black sock and boot cut jeans

Oh, you're asking about the rifles. No idea

[DaveInOroValley]

Beautiful rifles. If they've been around for ever odds are good they're not repros, but it would be hard to tell without checking markings that would relate to builder since they were definitely proud of their work they usually marked them predominately.

I noticed more then one trigger on two of them?? and one appears to be a FlintLock while the other two appear to use percussion caps.

Very curious.

[Crunch130]

I would suspect that the two percussion cap rifles were originally flintlocks, and later converted. I'm not an expert, but they have a very early look to them as Pennsylvania long rifles (i.e. before percussion caps were invented).

Crunch

[Dutch3]

If they are family rifles, why do they have tags on them?

[armygunsmith]

If they are family rifles, why do they have tags on them?

I wondered the same thing.

[Brd_Hntr]

Very nice! Any chance of close up photos of the lock work and top flats? This is another example of insufficient books in my gun library, and the lack of good local arms museums. I have got to get more auction house catalogs, but these look like first half of the 19th century to my untutored eye.

[Lostsheep]

The tags are because we had a lot of antiques that needed cataloguing, including the long rifles.

I am a little reluctant to take them apart to look but if there is a good chance that a makers mark would be on the inside of the lock side plates then I will do so for id. Would this have been a common practice?

You guys mention that they may be pennsylvania long rifles, what do you guys see that suggests that?

[Lostsheep]

These are all of tag ms25 (aren't they handy), more pics to be posted soon. Thanks all.

ETA a pic of the top rear of barrel:

[Lostsheep]

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[tpuig]

Pretty cool. Not sure where you're located, but you might try to find some local black powder shooters or supply places. They might be able to help. Even online, you can look at pictures on other sites like Gunbroker, etc to see if there are similar models...

Might help to at least narrow down the type and style.