One time C&R

[Jalibass]

I've never really been into old firearms until I saw an old H&R, it's nothing special I just fell in love with it. The problem is I've found the exact one I want on an out of state auction, I have the money for it but I don't have time to get a C&R License and I've also heard the licenses are on hold anyway. Are there any C&R shops in the North Bay I could have it shipped to? I don't have an extra $160 to use a shops FFL. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[Flyin Brian]

I don't know of any in the north bay but I can definitely recommend Tracy Rifle and Pistol in the East bay area. I've received 2 rifles through them and everything has been super smooth. They only charge $40 plus the DROS fee, so it's $65 out the door.

If that's too far for you, I'm sure you can do a search and call around to find the best price. Be careful to check the prices though, because a shop local to me charges $100 plus 10% of the value of the firearm which is outrageous.

[Jalibass]

I don't know of any in the north bay but I can definitely recommend Tracy Rifle and Pistol in the East bay area. I've received 2 rifles through them and everything has been super smooth. They only charge $40 plus the DROS fee, so it's $65 out the door.

If that's too far for you, I'm sure you can do a search and call around to find the best price. Be careful to check the prices though, because a shop local to me charges $100 plus 10% of the value of the firearm which is outrageous.

Is that the same as them letting me use their FFL or do I ask for something else when it's a C&R? Thank you for your input.

[devilinblack]

If you don't have an FFL, that's the only 100% legal way to receive a rifle from out of state and $65 is pretty reasonable.

[SanPedroShooter]

and licenses arent "on hold". If its a one time deal (is it ever?) just use a regular FFL, if you are going to get more C&R stuff get the license. Its well worth the 10 dollars a year...
Call up a dealer and tell them you want to ship a firearm to their store and they will tell you what you need to do plus their fees etc. 65 bucks is good. My 01FFL in LA charges $55. Any gun shipped across state lines must go to a License holder. 01FFL's can take delivery of modern and C&R guns, either way.

[TRICKSTER]

Try;

Kevin Smith
259 Morello Avenue
Martinez, CA 94553
FFL Transfer Fee: $50.00
925 229-2553

[Jalibass]

If you don't have an FFL, that's the only 100% legal way to receive a rifle from out of state and $65 is pretty reasonable.

I was hoping to find someone with a C&R who could accept the revolver over state lines and then "sell it" cash and carry to me. My understanding of what I read on DOJ website is this is legal as long as the C&R doesn't make a "business" of doing this for people. Was just wishing in one hand I guess, looks like the other is going to fill up first.

edit: confused cash and carry with private party transfer

[Bigtwin]

I was hoping to find someone with a C&R who could accept the revolver over state lines and then "sell it" cash and carry to me. My understanding of what I read on DOJ website is this is legal as long as the C&R doesn't make a "business" of doing this for people. Was just wishing in one hand I guess, looks like the other is going to fill up first.

INCORRECT, handguns are NOT cash and carry in CA! Must go through an FFL!

Cash and carry is only for long arms that are C&R.

[Flyin Brian]

I was hoping to find someone with a C&R who could accept the revolver over state lines and then "sell it" cash and carry to me. My understanding of what I read on DOJ website is this is legal as long as the C&R doesn't make a "business" of doing this for people. Was just wishing in one hand I guess, looks like the other is going to fill up first.

Unfortunately what you describe is totally illegal for 2 reasons. First, it is a "straw purchase" since the other guy is only buying it to sell to you. Second, he can't make the sale with you without going to an 01FFL and doing a DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale) and you have to wait 10 days, etc.

A C&R license only gives benefits to the actual person who has the license... it doesn't allow someone to ship a rifle for someone, or do a transaction with someone elses gun, or any other activities. Yes, a C&R can purchase a C&R pistol out of state and bring it back to the PRK, but then they have to report the sale and pay $19 to register it. If they decide to sell it after they bring it in, they still need to go to a gun shop (01FFL) to do the deal.

[Jalibass]

Unfortunately what you describe is totally illegal for 2 reasons. First, it is a "straw purchase" since the other guy is only buying it to sell to you. Second, he can't make the sale with you without going to an 01FFL and doing a DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale) and you have to wait 10 days, etc.

A C&R license only gives benefits to the actual person who has the license... it doesn't allow someone to ship a rifle for someone, or do a transaction with someone elses gun, or any other activities. Yes, a C&R can purchase a C&R pistol out of state and bring it back to the PRK, but then they have to report the sale and pay $19 to register it. If they decide to sell it after they bring it in, they still need to go to a gun shop (01FFL) to do the deal.

Thank you, not sure what I read on the DOJ website now or how I could have misinterpreted it so severely. How long does it take from application submission to approved licensing/being able to receive a C&R revolver?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...How long does it take from application submission to approved licensing/being able to receive a C&R revolver?

C&R FFLs can't receive C&R handguns directly in California. Handguns need to be shipped to a regular Dealer FFL and then DROSd to you. A C&R FFL can travel outside of California and acquire C&R handguns directly, but that probably isn't feasible for you just to get this H&R revolver.

[wu_dot_com]

Unfortunately what you describe is totally illegal for 2 reasons. First, it is a "straw purchase" since the other guy is only buying it to sell to you. Second, he can't make the sale with you without going to an 01FFL and doing a DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale) and you have to wait 10 days, etc.

A C&R license only gives benefits to the actual person who has the license... it doesn't allow someone to ship a rifle for someone, or do a transaction with someone elses gun, or any other activities. Yes, a C&R can purchase a C&R pistol out of state and bring it back to the PRK, but then they have to report the sale and pay $19 to register it. If they decide to sell it after they bring it in, they still need to go to a gun shop (01FFL) to do the deal.

i think on top of that, CA require all HG to be transfer with FFL regardless if its C&R if i remember correct. also, all out of state C&R sells needs to be conducted through a FFL. though ATF don't care if you register it or not, the requirement is there for interstate commerce reasons.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

i think on top of that, CA require all HG to be transfer with FFL regardless if its C&R if i remember correct.

Not really "on top of that", since Flyin Brian said the same thing...

...Second, he can't make the sale with you without going to an 01FFL and doing a DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale) and you have to wait 10 days, etc.

[Jalibass]

But because this revolver is over 50 years old it does not need to be on the drop list and can be shipped from any state to a local gun shop who will let me use their FFL?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

But because this revolver is over 50 years old it does not need to be on the drop list and can be shipped from any state to a local gun shop who will let me use their FFL?

Correct. C&R handguns are exempt from the safe handgun Roster. Just find a local dealer who doesn't charge too much for transfers. Some charge $50 out the door, some charge $200 out the door. I'm happy when I can pay $70 for an out of state transfer. Make sure you verify what the total price will be, including the California DROS charge. And if the out of state seller is not an FFL make sure your local dealer will accept the shipment directly from a non-FFL. Some dealers have a policy of only accepting shipments from other FFLs. And if the out of state seller is an FFL, make sure they don't mind signing up for California's CFLC system before they ship the firearm.