Mosin cleaning damage?

[Spiggy]

water is a good solvent for salts. The bonus of windex is it dries quicker than water.

Hoppes on the other hand, I wouldn't want to breath the fumes...

[Milsurps]

water is a good solvent for salts. The bonus of windex is it dries quicker than water.

Hoppes on the other hand, I wouldn't want to breath the fumes...

Swab well with Ammonia based window cleaner. Run some patches. Clean normaly with your favorite product(s). Just that easy.
Works well for my Mauser and her TWO Mossins.

[mauser98k]

i generally do the windex cleaning at the range and then the hot water treatment at home. there's a lot of grime left in the bore after just the windex way.

[ZenDaddy]

Here is a link and an excerpt from my favorite authority on Mosin maintenance

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinCleaning.htm

After shooting corrosive ammunition some special considerations are necessary. All surplus 7.62x54r ammunition is “corrosive” which simply means that the chemical compound of the primer contains salts which are left behind in the bore and will attract moisture eventually causing rust. The ammunition is not corrosive in the sense that it is acidic and will cause immediate damage to the firearm and with proper cleaning corrosive ammunition will do no more harm than non-corrosive ammunition. Corrosive primers have a much longer shelf life than non-corrosive primers and this is the reason they were used in the Eastern Bloc long after Western militaries switched to non-corrosive primers. The benefit to shooters is cheap surplus ammunition that is still reliable after fifty years or more, with more meticulous cleaning being the trade off. When corrosive ammunition is used the firearm should be cleaned as soon as practical with higher humidity necessitating faster action than lower humidity. It is best to take basic cleaning supplies to the range and clean immediately after the end of the shooting session with a more thorough follow up later. Many shooters have strong opinions on the cleaning solutions and steps to take after using corrosive ammunition. A mixture of water and ammonia or glass cleaner (Windex) with ammonia is popular, but requires a thorough drying and cleaning with solvents followed by application of oil to prevent rust from the water based solutions themselves. Ammonia can discolor stock finishes and should be used with care, preferably removing the stock completely. Boiling water poured down the bore is a method dating back to the days of blackpowder muzzle loaders. While it is effective and the heat transferred to the metal will usually be enough to evaporate any remaining water it requires preparation time and equipment. An accidental spill of boiling water can also be dangerous and there is a chance that water will find its way into the barrel/receiver threads where it can’t be removed.

[novabrian]

You ruined it.The metal integrity has been compromised due to improper heat treating/quenching of the barrel.

[ledman]

Let the barrel cool a little next time if your worried about it. Remeber, those Mosins were made simple and tough, for a simply tough soldier, lol so I am sure it is just fine.
I always use window cleaner with ammonia as that neutralizes the corrosive ammo.

At least you didn't drop it. Another user dropped his AR and from what I gather, it was completely ruined.

lol...I knew a Marine that did that while we were PT'ing with our rifles in Boot and utes,(utility Camo uniform while wearing boots for you civs) it didn't get ruined, it worked fine after that...but that Marine had to literally run circles around the Gunny on the run for 5 miles yelling at the top of his lungs the Rifleman's creed, while holding his rifle over his head, lol...he dropped his rifle right at the start of our run, needless to say, he and no one ever else dropped their weapon on a run, and no, it was not me

[ZenDaddy]

Let the barrel cool a little next time if your worried about it. Remeber, those Mosins were made simple and tough, for a simply tough soldier, lol so I am sure it is just fine.
I always use window cleaner with ammonia as that neutralizes the corrosive ammo.

People talk so much about "neutralizing" the salt left behind by the primer. It is not an acid that starts sizzling and smoking the second it touches steel! It is simply a residue that attracts moisture and then holds that moisture against the surface upon which it resides, that moisture then promotes oxidation which of course means rust and pits in a precious bore. Soap and ammonia do not neutralize the salt! They only enhance the ability of the water in bringing that salt into solution so you can wipe or rinse it away. A simple prompt consistent cleaning with a decent solvent will remove the salts. Boiling water and ammonia baths and voodoo anti corrosion magic will only leave water and soap residue where you don't want it and cause trouble eventually. KISS.

All this fud re corrosive ammo and having to immediately douche after shooting is silly.....IMO.

[ledman]

People talk so much about "neutralizing" the salt left behind by the primer. It is not an acid that starts sizzling and smoking the second it touches steel! It is simply a residue that attracts moisture and then holds that moisture against the surface upon which it resides, that moisture then promotes oxidation which of course means rust and pits in a precious bore. Soap and ammonia do not neutralize the salt! They only enhance the ability of the water in bringing that salt into solution so you can wipe or rinse it away. A simple prompt consistent cleaning with a decent solvent will remove the salts. Boiling water and ammonia baths and voodoo anti corrosion magic will only leave water and soap residue where you don't want it and cause trouble eventually. KISS.

All this fud re corrosive ammo and having to immediately douche after shooting is silly.....IMO.

I dunno, I have been doing the Windex thing for years in my Mosins, never an issue. So I am not a chemist like you! I never said it was like an acid that melts the metal. Even you yourself say that it enhances the ability of the water to remove it.
I don't worry about it really, it works for me, so I just keep doing what I have been doing.

And I would just put a little through the bore when I got home from the range, and then use good old solvent and bore cleaner, no corrosion, so something must be working right. Windex or solvent, neither can't hurt it to over do it a little. I am used to over cleaning my weapons, if there is such a thing, that's how the Corps taught me, and my Dad, who was also a Marine taught me. Clean clean clean!! To each his own, if you don't wanna use Windex, well that's up to you.

[mauser98k]

windex and oil after shooting, hot water and birchwood casey bore scrubber when i get home. seems to work very well so that's how i'll continue cleaning.

[gorblimey]

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...esbs/index.asp







Also, to my understanding, hot water is used because it evaporates QUICKLY so the bore doesn't stay all wet. Anyone else care to confirm or deny this? Because I'm not 100% sure.

Yep. Not uncommon when caring for blades, cast iron, etc. But the improved rate of dissolution as mentioned above is a nice benefit.

[ZenDaddy]

No offense intended Ledman, if it works carry on and all that.

[NaughtyMonkey]

What did the Russians use to clean there rifles during the war? Hot water? LMAOROFL.

But thanks for answer my question.

[ledman]

No offense intended Ledman, if it works carry on and all that.

None taken! Its all good brother!

[Lucky Scott]

I always let them cool down a little before hitting it with a good douche of Windex. Then I follow up with some WD 40. I do this at the range and let them drip out for a few minutes while I put away all my targets and stuff.
Takes about 2 minutes per gun.
Then, when I get home, I clean them with Hoppes and patches.
My bores look great.

[ledman]

I always let them cool down a little before hitting it with a good douche of Windex. Then I follow up with some WD 40. I do this at the range and let them drip out for a few minutes while I put away all my targets and stuff.
Takes about 2 minutes per gun.
Then, when I get home, I clean them with Hoppes and patches.
My bores look great.

lol...wow..if someone did not know WTF you were talking about, that would sound really kinky!