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  • Double_D
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 774

    Mosin cleaning damage?

    I always shoot corrosive ammo out of my mosin. Today at the range, I poured water down the bore to dissolve any water soluble salts that might cause rust. The barrel was extremely hot, so when I poured water down the bore, the water immediately started steaming and shot out of both ends of the bore. I know that you can crack or warp metal if you cool it down rapidly while it is heated. Can my mosin be easily damaged in the same way? I looked down the bore with a light and didn't notice anything unusual.
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    gorblimey
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 1522

    My guess as an amateur admirer of things metallurgical is that you have nothing at all to worry about:

    - the metal wasn't hot enough for this to be a concern
    - not enough water came in contact with the metal to effect sufficient heat transfer
    - the cylindrical/concentric nature of things allowed for an even stress distribution

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    • #3
      Dead*Reckoned
      Veteran Member
      • May 2010
      • 2643

      At least you didn't drop it. Another user dropped his AR and from what I gather, it was completely ruined.

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      • #4
        Vlad 11
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 2961

        I don't think that would cause a problem. When you think about it, a great number of Mosin Nagants were actually battle tested in the most extreme circumstances, especially the harsh Russian Winter. It stands to reason that the rifles were commonly used in sub-zero temps, heated to several hundred degrees, then cooled quickly back down. Up and down in temp constantly. These old rifles battled through mud, blood, rain, snow, ice, and rubble, so i wouldnt worry about it sizzleing a little bit of water at the range.

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        • #5
          justMike
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 796

          I agree that probably no serious harm done with this event, most discussion here
          that I have taken to heart is the use of HOT water down the bore. I think that would make for less
          excitement and be more effective as well. Requires a bit more
          set up though. That is what I intend to set up for.

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          • #6
            gorblimey
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 1522

            I think runnig a dozen patches of Windex down the bore (at home!) followed by the usual non-corrosive regimen is perfectly adequate to ensure preservation for the next hundred years. We're not talking about dissolving quarter inch rock salt crystals here.

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            • #7
              uxo2
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4003

              You mean you can actually hurt one???

              You should see me at the range with a 2x4 trying to
              cycle the bolt after a few rounds...

              No harm...
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              • #8
                mauser98k
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 819

                Originally posted by uxo2
                You mean you can actually hurt one???

                i suppose if you parked a T34 on it...

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                • #9
                  Double_D
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 774

                  haha these are great and funny responses guys. Thanks a bunch!

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                  • #10
                    rojocorsa
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 9139

                    Originally posted by uxo2
                    You mean you can actually hurt one???

                    You should see me at the range with a 2x4 trying to
                    cycle the bolt after a few rounds...

                    No harm...








                    Also, to my understanding, hot water is used because it evaporates QUICKLY so the bore doesn't stay all wet. Anyone else care to confirm or deny this? Because I'm not 100% sure.
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                    • #11
                      Scratch705
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • May 2009
                      • 12537

                      the hot water is to help dissolve the salts more easily and thoroughly, cold water doesn't dissolve salts as quickly.

                      you can even do the test at home with some salt and two cups of water, one hot, one cold. see how fast the salt dissolve without any agitation. (hint, the hot water will win)
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                      • #12
                        justMike
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 796

                        Originally posted by rojocorsa
                        http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting...esbs/index.asp







                        Also, to my understanding, hot water is used because it evaporates QUICKLY so the bore doesn't stay all wet. Anyone else care to confirm or deny this? Because I'm not 100% sure.
                        Yes, I can confirm this. I used boiling water (teapot) to clean The barrel of an Enfield at home and I was surprised that it went dry very rapidly.

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                        • #13
                          Spiggy
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 8688

                          Originally posted by Double_D
                          I always shoot corrosive ammo out of my mosin. Today at the range, I poured water down the bore to dissolve any water soluble salts that might cause rust. The barrel was extremely hot, so when I poured water down the bore, the water immediately started steaming and shot out of both ends of the bore. I know that you can crack or warp metal if you cool it down rapidly while it is heated. Can my mosin be easily damaged in the same way? I looked down the bore with a light and didn't notice anything unusual.
                          unless the barrel was cherry red when you dunked it, you should be fine.

                          The stock would burst into flames before this would happen.
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                          • #14
                            mauser98k
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 819

                            Originally posted by Spiggy
                            The stock would burst into flames before this would happen.
                            that would be quite a sight

                            BANG! BANG! BANG! IGNITION!

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                            • #15
                              NaughtyMonkey
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1832

                              But doesn't windex do the same as the hot water? Or the hops 9? Or is hot water the only way to remove the salt?
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