What's It Worth? *MORE PICS*

[campperrykid]

Actually , I do understand.

You're not understanding.

People take mixmasters and try and hunt down parts to make all of the parts period correct, hence the tern "correct grade". This means that the parts may not all be original but all of them are stamped with what they should be. People who buy correct grade Garands understand (or they should) that the parts probably aren't original.

Then we have "original rifles" that are as issued as is and all of the parts are matching. Guns represented as original should never have parts swapped out. Selling a gun that has been forced correct and passing it off as original is morally wrong and dishonest.

Yes, people do pay more for "correct rifles", people also pay more, a lot more, for original rifles.

As a reference I would say roughly a WW2 dated Garand breaks down as follows:

Mixmaster : 600-800
Correct: 900-1000
Original 1800-2200

There are a lot of variables that go into value like date of manufacture, condition, and market value but I think you get the picture.

"... people do pay more for " correct rifles ... "

Some do , some don't.
I don't and won't. YMMV. I make no claim to moral purity.

Wanna buy a WW2 Winchester Garand barrel : guages really great -- around 1.5 at the throat , 2. something at the muzzle (it's been kissed with a crowning tool , prolly in Denmark ). It's a valuable historic artifact , I don't want to shoot it.
How about an uncut ( half moon ) SA op rod that went thru re-build into a Typo 2 Italian 7.62 conversion?

Some folks actually weld up the half moon cut and remachine the area to make it "right" and get a lot more money.
Gotta wonder how many people mark the the part or the gun as "corrected 2009 " ?

[tankerman]

Yes he does.
I think you're the one "not understanding"

You're not understanding.

People take mixmasters and try and hunt down parts to make all of the parts period correct, hence the tern "correct grade". This means that the parts may not all be original but all of them are stamped with what they should be. People who buy correct grade Garands understand (or they should) that the parts probably aren't original.

Then we have "original rifles" that are as issued as is and all of the parts are matching. Guns represented as original should never have parts swapped out. Selling a gun that has been forced correct and passing it off as original is morally wrong and dishonest.

Yes, people do pay more for "correct rifles", people also pay more, a lot more, for original rifles.

As a reference I would say roughly a WW2 dated Garand breaks down as follows:

Mixmaster : 600-800
Correct: 900-1000
Original 1800-2200

There are a lot of variables that go into value like date of manufacture, condition, and market value but I think you get the picture.

[thefifthspeed]

Yes he does.
I think you're the one "not understanding"

Care to explain why?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I've read that there is no such thing as a "correct" Garand if it has been re-arsenaled. They were not put together in the same manner that the Germans did their K98s, with serial numbers from specific factories down to specific screws.

[thefifthspeed]

I've read that there is no such thing as a "correct" Garand if it has been re-arsenaled. They were not put together in the same manner that the Germans did their K98s, with serial numbers from specific factories down to specific screws.

"Correct" is just a term people have used to refer to a Garand that has all of the parts correct for the serial range. You are correct, the American's did not individually mark their rifles and subsequent parts with serial numbers like the Germans did the K98 or other guns like the Luger. Instead they pulled parts from large batches and each of the parts had "drawing numbers" and every so often the batches would change.

http://battlerifle0.tripod.com/id3.html

Just so I'm not sounding crazy with the whole "correct" term here are so links showing what I mean. Check out the CMP, the authority in Garands:

http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

Correct grades are sold out but the listing is near the bottom.

Some people on GB selling "corrects":

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=143168667

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=142986401

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=142979434

And here is an supposed original (notice the huge jump in price)

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=143104004

Actually , I do understand.


"... people do pay more for " correct rifles ... "

Some do , some don't.
I don't and won't. YMMV. I make no claim to moral purity.

This is the part I was trying it address:

No knowledgable buyer will pay more more than the sum of parts for a " humped " rifle .
The only way to make money humping historic guns is to misrepresent -- actively or passively -- what the gun really is.
FWIW and YMMV.

Some folks actually weld up the half moon cut and remachine the area to make it "right" and get a lot more money.
Gotta wonder how many people mark the the part or the gun as "corrected 2009 " ?

[campperrykid]

Sweet muzzle

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