Why even get a C&R?

[Dr Rockso]

you. do. not. need. a. coe. with. long guns.

Lets see, we have the bolded and underlined verbatim copy of the law versus a sentence with eight periods. Fine, I'm convinced

[Dr Rockso]

ok since you don't need a c&r for 50+ year old rifles what about ones that are considered c&r but aren't 50+. wouldn't that come in handy than. please don't bash just trying to learn

If you're only buying inside CA, not really. You can, however, travel outside the state and buy any C&R-listed firearm (handgun or rifle, regardless of age) and bring it back with you provided it is not an assault weapon or destructive device. Handguns must be registered by mailing a form to the DOJ.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

ok since you don't need a c&r for 50+ year old rifles what about ones that are considered c&r but aren't 50+. wouldn't that come in handy than. please don't bash just trying to learn

If you want to buy C&R long guns that are not yet 50 years old or C&R handguns of any age within California, then a C&R FFL doesn't really help you that much. If you also have a COE then you can buy C&R long guns and handguns of any age from a California Licensed Dealer without having to wait the ten days. You still have to DROS them, but you can take them home as soon as the background check clears (usually 5 minutes).

But having just a C&R FFL really does help if you want to buy C&R long guns and handguns of any age while you are traveling outside of California. Once outside of California, a C&R FFL can buy C&R long guns and handguns of any age and bring them back to California.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

OK, fine, I don't know what I am talking about, you win. I can see you are never wrong there Dr., and your a DR, so you MUST be smarter than me.
All I know is, that to buy a C&R rifle in CA from a PP, you do not need to have a C&R within the state of CA. Period. Everyone is missing my point, why have a C&R to use within CA, you don't need one. It's really only good for online, out of state purchases. I have bought many C&R rifles without using my C&R inside the state of CA from PP that do not have a C&R that also reside in CA, no need within CA as again, rifles over 50 years old are cash and carry, no C&R FFL 03 needed! Can I be any clearer on this???. Out of state, yes, I need to use my C&R for C&R purchases.

How many C&Rs do you have, ledman?

[trautert]

Three times I have applied for and been issued an 03 C&R FFL. Each time I let it expire when the time came. Twice I applied for a new one after about 6 months or so. This last one has been expired since July. I haven't really had much need to show the license, since I bought mostly in-state rifles more than 50 years old. The licenses always paid for themselves, though, just with the discounts at Midway and Brownell's.

I had the Cert of Elig. from the time of the first license through this past January when I let that expire as well. Just didn't see any use for it anymore.

Tom

[hawk81]

I buy curio rifles online and it pays off to have the liscense.

[M. D. Van Norman]

[ledman]

How many C&Rs do you have, ledman?

lol...well, I had to go count them. I have allot. Are you questioning me having a C&R there DOC? How many do you have...or do you just have and read all the law books so you can come on here and try to make guys like me look like a smchuck? I am open to learn new things, but, when you just plain out tell me I do not know what I am talking about, well, that is just plain rude.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

lol...well, I had to go count them. I have allot. Are you questioning me having a C&R there DOC? How many do you have...or do you just have and read all the law books so you can come on here and try to make guys like me look like a smchuck? I am open to learn new things, but, when you just plain out tell me I do not know what I am talking about, well, that is just plain rude.

I'm not questioning whether or not you have a C&R, that's not the point. Try getting a seller of a C&R to SHIP one to you intrastate when you don't have one. It's not going to happen. There is too much risk and liability. A C&R leaves all of that worry behind.

And I am not trying to make "guys like you look like a schmuck". You said you can go into Nevada with only a state check and buy a full auto M4. That's not the case. All firearms from a gunshop go through a Federal background and full autos are a controlled item by the ATF that require separate paperwork. On top of this, there are many reasons to have a C&R California which you find to be useless. Getting stuff shipped to you no problems from people WITHIN the state is one of them, as is getting discounts from major distributors.

To answer your question, I have about 40 C&R rifles, most of which were utilized using the C&R license, many coming from WITHIN this state getting shipped to me. I'm not here with an agenda but you're facts were wrong. It is not a matter of rudeness but of being correct.

[joefrank64k]

All I know is, that to buy a C&R rifle in CA from a PP, you do not need to have a C&R within the state of CA. Period. Everyone is missing my point, why have a C&R to use within CA, you don't need one. It's really only good for online, out of state purchases. I have bought many C&R rifles without using my C&R inside the state of CA from PP that do not have a C&R that also reside in CA, no need within CA as again, rifles over 50 years old are cash and carry, no C&R FFL 03 needed! Can I be any clearer on this???. Out of state, yes, I need to use my C&R for C&R purchases.

Of course you don't need an 03 FFL in CA to purchase C&R PPT, but you find the real deals out of state! You get dealer access to Century Arms International and SOG, to name 2, and save big $.

As others have pointed out, it's the DISCOUNTS that really make the 03 FFL worth it! The $30 I spent on getting my C&R has been paid back several times over, just in the significant discounts you get from Brownells, MidwayUSA, Numrich, and others. 25% off is not uncommon!!!

[olhunter]

The absolute BEST reason for having an 03FFL is to get rid of all that pesky money you have just sitting there.

[joefrank64k]

The absolute BEST reason for having an 03FFL is to get rid of all that pesky money you have just sitting there.

AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!

[Mr Wizard]

As in the words of the imfamous Rodney King, "can't we all just git along?"

Seems to me that Ledman made an over simplified statement regarding the differences in state gun laws and the good Dr. called out the etiquette police.
Bottom line is a 03 license is only as valuable as you personally think it is.
I applied for mine knowing it wouldn't be much use in CA w/o a COE, but I planned on using mine mostly for out of state purchases anyway.

Stand down...

[1923mack]

Does the BATF do in home inspections for C&R FFL's?

[Mr Wizard]

Does the BATF do in home inspections for C&R FFL's?

I haven't had my license long enough to warrant a visit, but the info packet I received from the BATF stated by issuance of the FFL you agree to inspection.
I believe they have to make an appointment as opposed to showing up during business hours at an 01 dealer.
Please someone (politely)correct me if I'm wrong.