Why even get a C&R?

[ledman]

I went to the crossroads of the west gun show today in Costa Mesa CA...and there was a guy there selling all Curio and Relic rifles at his table, rifles only, no handguns. He had a sign up that said "Cash and Carry". I know, that IN Cali, you can legally do that between PP for rifles over 50 years old, so no C&R is necessarry or any FFL for that matter and no DROS. This guy said he would never get a C&R becasue he didn't want the BATFE in his business.

Now, I know the benes of a C&R, as I can get long guns from out of state from regular FFL's with NO waiting periods, but it seems kind of silly sometimes, all the dumb laws. If you have just a C&R in California, it really is no good at a regualr FFL, as you still have to DROS and wait 10 days, UNLESS, you get a COE, then you STILL have to DROS, BUT, you do not have to wait 10 days. All these laws, are just crazy.

CHANGE OF SUBJECT

I am thinking hard about moving to Neveda in a few years, at least there, for now, you can have whatever you want, pretty much. No waiting periods, state check only, NO state checks at guns shows, any gun is cash and carry...man, that must be sweet to be so free!
THEN, you can go to downtown Vegas, drink a beer in public, go for a ride in the back of a pickup truck, out of city limits to a cathouse, that is legal, then back to town for some legal gambling, all the while you can drive fast as the speed limits are higher than Cali and stop off at your local gun shop in NEVEDA and by a fully auto M4 and go out to the desert and shoot away to your hearts content, not having to worry about Hi Cap detachable mags, bullet buttons, etc...lol...not that I hate Cali...but man, you start to think about all the freedoms you lose just by living in California.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

With a C&R there is not waiting period between getting a C&R rifle out of state and it getting sent straight to your door. You do not not have to pay ANY transfer cost. I'm not going to even address the full-auto M4 misiniformation in your post, since it is obvious you have not done your homework about C&Rs to begin with.

[ledman]

With a C&R there is not waiting period between getting a C&R rifle out of state and it getting sent straight to your door. You do not not have to pay ANY transfer cost. I'm not going to even address the full-auto M4 misiniformation in your post, since it is obvious you have not done your homework about C&Rs to begin with.

Say WHAT??? Did you read my post, or just skim it? please re-read it. The local FFL's, if you were to purchase a C&R rifle, make your DROS it...Turners does, and they charge you the 25 bucks, as does Big 5.

[ke6guj]

what M4 misinformation? As an NV resident, he could go to his local gun shop (if they have an SOT) and buy a full-auto M4. Yes, there are hoops that must be jumped through with the Form 4 paperwork, but he can buy it and once he is approved, could take it out to the desert and blast away.

[ledman]

what M4 misinformation? As an NV resident, he could go to his local gun shop (if they have an SOT) and buy a full-auto M4. Yes, there are hoops that must be jumped through with the Form 4 paperwork, but he can buy it and once he is approved, could take it out to the desert and blast away.

I am glad someone else here speaks the same language as me... There, Dr Peter Venkman, I updated my post just for you, put in in red, made it bold, and put up a change of subject, maybe that will help you see what I wrote:P Really, if I am wrong about something, please, tell me, I really do not think I am mis-informed at all. I hold a current C&R FFL 03, and like to think I am pretty up to date on what I can and cannot do with it.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

what M4 misinformation?

Maybe Venkman was talking about the fact that before the OP edited his post, he said you could buy a full auto M4 at gin shop.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

what M4 misinformation? As an NV resident, he could go to his local gun shop (if they have an SOT) and buy a full-auto M4. Yes, there are hoops that must be jumped through with the Form 4 paperwork, but he can buy it and once he is approved, could take it out to the desert and blast away.

Thanks for mentioning the big "what if". The misiniformation is "not wanting to get in the ATF's business" when the NFA items are on their books to begin with, as is being able to buy a full auto M4 from anywhere. They are controlled items.

I am glad someone else here speaks the same language as me... There, Dr Peter Venkman, I updated my post just for you, put in in red, made it bold, and put up a change of subject, maybe that will help you see what I wrote:P

I did see what you wrote and ALL firearms go through a federal check via NICS when purchased from a gunshop. Nevada FFLs go through their state who does it for them, as opposed to contacting the FBI by themselves.

Maybe Venkman was talking about the fact that before the OP edited his post, he said you could buy a full auto M4 at gin shop.

lol

[glennsche]

Say WHAT??? Did you read my post, or just skim it? please re-read it. The local FFL's, if you were to purchase a C&R rifle, make your DROS it...Turners does, and they charge you the 25 bucks, as does Big 5.

if you buy a C&R rifle in CA with a gundealer who knows what they're doing then its cash carry same day. big5 monkeys dont always know this, but i've had plenty of luck with gun dealers. bought C&R guns in santa barbara, in LA, etc with the C&R and its like buying a stereo or something. no dros. theres a form, and then you go home with the gun.

the main advantage i've seen with the C&R is price arbitrage; guns in CA, like everything in CA, are more expensive due to simple economics. People make money here. I've gotten guns delivered to my house from folks in other states at steal prices by CA standards because they live in Unemploymentville Michigan or Redneckton, KY, and things are just cheaper elsewhere.

as to "all these laws" concerning C&R; i think personally that's a bit of an overstatement; all you do is write something down in a book, and dont engage in active commerce. its not like the ATF is coming to my house weekly or anything. This is perfect for me, as the casual collector. for me, the chance to buy guns at significant savings delivered to my door in the mail from other states more than compensates for TEH GUBBERMINT GETS IN MA BIDNESS.

[ke6guj]

Thanks for mentioning the big "what if". The misiniformation is "not wanting to get in the ATF's business" when the NFA items are on their books to begin with, as is being able to buy a full auto M4 from anywhere. They are controlled items.

OK, but even that SOT deal isn't set in stone. You could even buy an M4 from another private party in NV without even setting foot in a dealer. The seller would send in the Form 4, and the approved Form 4 would be mailed back to him. He'd then call the buyer to pick up his new toy.

I still dont' see him spewing any misinformation about "being in someone's business". That reference was regarding one seller's comments at the gun show.

[ledman]

Maybe Venkman was talking about the fact that before the OP edited his post, he said you could buy a full auto M4 at gin shop.

LMAO!! Yeah...I have never even been to a GIN shop lol

[ke6guj]

if you buy a C&R rifle in CA with a gundealer who knows what they're doing then its cash carry same day. big5 monkeys dont always know this, but i've had plenty of luck with gun dealers. bought C&R guns in santa barbara, in LA, etc with the C&R and its like buying a stereo or something. no dros. theres a form, and then you go home with the gun.

WHAT?? That would be incorrect.

With just a C&R, you gain no privledges when buying a C&R firearm from a licensed dealer in CA. You have to DROS and 10-day wait.

If you have a COE with your C&R, you can cash-and-carry (no 10-day wait)from a dealer, but you must still DROS.

12078(t)(1) The waiting period described in Sections 12071 or 12072 shall not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor, by a dealer to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071. On the date that the delivery, sale, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 12077.

Bold is where the 10-day wait does not apply. The underlined section still requres it to be DROSed.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

OK, but even that SOT deal isn't set in stone. You could even buy an M4 from another private party in NV without even setting foot in a dealer. The seller would send in the Form 4, and the approved Form 4 would be mailed back to him. He'd then call the buyer to pick up his new toy.

I still dont' see how him spewing any misinformation about "being in someone's business". That reference was regarding one seller's comments at the gun show.

The overall gist I am getting from his post is that in Nevada he is more free to do what he wants including buying a full-auto M4 and not going through a background check at the local gunshop. That's simply not the case and he is not talking about purchasing it from a private party. Given that he does not see the point of a C&R due to the background check aspect anyways, his information is not correct.

[ledman]

if you buy a C&R rifle in CA with a gundealer who knows what they're doing then its cash carry same day. big5 monkeys dont always know this, but i've had plenty of luck with gun dealers. bought C&R guns in santa barbara, in LA, etc with the C&R and its like buying a stereo or something. no dros. theres a form, and then you go home with the gun.

the main advantage i've seen with the C&R is price arbitrage; guns in CA, like everything in CA, are more expensive due to simple economics. People make money here. I've gotten guns delivered to my house from folks in other states at steal prices by CA standards because they live in Unemploymentville Michigan or Redneckton, KY, and things are just cheaper elsewhere.

as to "all these laws" concerning C&R; i think personally that's a bit of an overstatement; all you do is write something down in a book, and dont engage in active commerce. its not like the ATF is coming to my house weekly or anything. This is perfect for me, as the casual collector. for me, the chance to buy guns at significant savings delivered to my door in the mail from other states more than compensates for TEH GUBBERMINT GETS IN MA BIDNESS.

O, I agree with you about Big 5 etc, thats what I am talking about, the laws, confuse these dealers, and they would just rather ignore the facts than doing it the right way. I didn't mean the laws are too harsh on C&R collectors, I am meaning it CAN be hard for a C&R holder in California, to take FULL advantage of his or her C&R, due to the fact that these "monkeys" refuse to understand the laws on curio and relic weapons.

[ledman]

The overall gist I am getting from his post is that in Nevada he is more free to do what he wants including buying a full-auto M4 and not going through a background check at the local gunshop. That's simply not the case and he is not talking about purchasing it from a private party. Given that he does not see the point of a C&R due to the background check aspect anyways, his information is not correct.

I never said you don't have to go through a check at the local gunshop in NV? What I did say, was you just drop by yout local guns shop and pick up a full auto M4, as, you cannot do that in California.I did say, you do not have a waiting period.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I never said you don't have to go through a check at the local gunshop in NV? What I did say, was you just drop by yout local guns shop and pick up a full auto M4, as, you cannot do that in California.I did say, you do not have a waiting period.

You said state check only. Not going to happen.