M1 Garand rifles **less wood** questions

[Mezcalfud]

I am pondering putting some CMP Garands back into the world and I just want to confirm that I am understanding the ATF here. To start, I have some rack and field grade with no wood and some missing one or both hand guards and as such, these are not complete rifles and NOT C&R?

Also- anyone know what happened to the CMP stock sets, those were great!

[MajorSideburns]

The idiots at the ATF have so many arbitrary and conflicting rules that nobody knows how to comply including their own minions. And that's the point. I think the CMP stocks were supplied by Boyd's, you might try checking out their site to see if they have direct sales.

[MajorSideburns]

https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product-configurator/m1-garand-stk-zz-f-2x3991d1uzz

These are also some good Garand parts resources:

https://www.dupagetrading.com/product-category/new-m1-stock-sets/

https://www.fulton-armory.com/m1-garand-stocks.aspx

[beerman]

Of many CMP Garands, the only one I still own ( and my favorite) is a less wood I got from them is about’98. 453,xxx SA. Rebarreled right after the war ‘47 SA barrel. Found a nice wood set from Northridge Sales. I did have to glass bed the action to make it shoot like a laser. Good luck with yours OP.

[SVT-40]

Without stocks they would not be C&R's. To be a C&R for FFL purposes the rifles should be complete and as issued.

[Striker62]

CMP is rebuilding the e-store, but I do not know if they will carry stocks. People post stock sets and hand guards for sale on CMP all the time. Other places to get stocks and hand guards are:

https://www.dupagetrading.com/

https://thestockemporium.com/

I have some extra parts as well and a complete EMcF original stock set and a second restamped EmcF stock set.

[Striker62]

on a side note: I am no expert on ATF rules, but not having a stock makes them C&R ineligible makes no sense. The receiver is what makes the firearm 50+ years old So if you have a 80 year old receiver with a newer stock it is not a C&R?

[echo1]

on a side note: I am no expert on ATF rules, but not having a stock makes them C&R ineligible makes no sense. The receiver is what makes the firearm 50+ years old So if you have a 80 year old receiver with a newer stock it is not a C&R?

Technically, as long as its' completeit's C&R. PAX

[IronsightsRifleman]

CMP sold Garands with new stocks ("CMP Special") as C&R.

[Mezcalfud]

From what I read-
complete =c&r
as issued =c&r -this includes replacement stocks/parts as long as they are similar to original. I would assume a bit of a grey area here.

[morrcarr67]

This is from the BATF website

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-firearms-are-considered-be-curio-and-relic-firearms

ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics.

If you click on the link to their website you will see that they DO NOT list any codes for their "opinion" (recognization) of complete firearms are the only way a firearm can be a C&R.

I have bought handgun frames and barreled actions from very large highly respected firearms dealers as C&R.

[Striker62]

Originally Posted by BATF

ATF has recognized only complete, assembled firearms as curios or relics. ATF’s classification of surplus military firearms as curios or relics has extended only to those firearms in their original military configuration. Frames or receivers of curios or relics are not generally recognized as curios or relics.

The language here is concerning, but typical ATF BS... "Original Military configuration" is subjective at best. All of these mix-masters are no longer "original" and a new replacement anything would not be original

[MajorSideburns]

This is from the BATF website

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-firearms-are-considered-be-curio-and-relic-firearms

If you click on the link to their website you will see that they DO NOT list any codes for their "opinion" (recognization) of complete firearms are the only way a firearm can be a C&R.

I have bought handgun frames and barreled actions from very large highly respected firearms dealers as C&R.

That’s because there is no codified law to cite, their rules are just illegally invented arbitrary restrictions.

[The Gleam]

Without stocks they would not be C&R's. To be a C&R for FFL purposes the rifles should be complete and as issued.

While this is true.... I've lost count as to the number of times I've bought stuff sold as C&R that was in all sorts of haggard shape or 'sporterized' - merely because the dealer went off frame/original chambering alone.

Shhhh.... don't tell anyone.

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[The Gleam]

I have bought handgun frames and barreled actions from very large highly respected firearms dealers as C&R.

Same. Never even thought twice about it, even though the rules may be as they are - I felt no moral obligation nor dirty and shameful upon doing so.

It's old, it's curio, and sometimes it's a relic. ( That sounds like a country song about an old truck.)

Rules of petty authority. I feel like ATF is the blueprint model for every HOA - and both want to shoot your dog.

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