FFL03 and C&R pistols in CA

[mk2dave]

This is something that I should know, and research brings up some older threads and I don't know if they are still relevant.

I have a FFL03 and COE. I want a Beretta 950. Some are C&R, some aren't. The 950 is not on CA roster.

I tried going through the PPT route, and I still may have to wait to go this route.

If I find one that is C&R on Gunbroker.com that is out of state, can I buy it, have it shipped to a FFL locally, and I pick it up using my FFL03? I know CR's are not subject to the roster, but I don't know how that works with the out of state thing.

Is there another option I am not considering?

[Quiet]

C&R handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32000(b)(3)]

When you buy a C&R handgun online and have it shipped to your CA FFL dealer, you need to let them know that it is a C&R handgun and, depending on the CA FFL dealer, you may need to show proof that it is an exempt C&R handgun.

The Beretta Model 950 was made from 1952-2003.

[mk2dave]

Thanks for that, Quiet. I'll coordinate with my FFL before I purchase, just to make sure there are no surprises. My experiences with FFL's haven't been flawless.

I think I'm looking at an 950 or 950B. It'll be an interesting piece.

[Uscband79]

Proving it?s a C&R can ge done by the date code stamping on the frame and/or if it has or doesn?t have a safety. For a C&R, if you have the 03 FFL and also COE, you should not have to wait the 10 days waiting period, and be able to take it home right away.
Rich

[Capybara]

I always just double check with my FFL01 that an out of state C&R pistol I am buying is definitely either on the list, or more than 50 years old. That keeps her happy and me happy. I've bought a few this way off of Gunbroker and the experience has been excellent. It's nice not to have to do the stupid 10 day wait also.

[DanGunner]

I have two Beretta 950s, one .25 ACP Jetfire and the other .22 Short Minx. Fun guns, particularly the Minx

[19K]

Make sure everyone involved agrees that it is a C&R before your purchase and have it sent to your FFL.

With an FFL 03 and COE you can skip the 10 day wait.

[mk2dave]

Just got back from the FFL, and they said "We don't need proof it's a C&R, but it would be nice."

I prefer to be on the up and up, so I'll have something to show it's age. But they charge 125 for DROS; seems steep.

Thanks for the info!

[morrcarr67]

Just got back from the FFL, and they said "We don't need proof it's a C&R, but it would be nice."

I prefer to be on the up and up, so I'll have something to show it's age. But they charge 125 for DROS; seems steep.

Thanks for the info!

Is that for the DROS or transfer?

[Quiet]

CA FFL dealers can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate a non-PPT.
^This is represented as a dealer fee.

The total CA DROS fees are set by law at $37.19.
~ CA DROS fee = $31.19 [PC 28233]
~CA Firearm Safety Fee = $1.00 [PC 23690]
~CA Firearm Safety Enforcement Fee = $5.00 [PC 28300]

SO, when the dealer transfers a firearm to you that was shipped to them, they can legally charge the CA DROS fee ($37.19) and any additional fees (dealer transfer fee + storage fee + etc).

As the transferee it is your responsibility to find out the total costs involved when utilizing a specific CA FFL dealer to transfer firearms that are acquired online.
^Shop around and find out who has the best costs.


From past experience, southern CA FFL dealers have quoted me prices ranging from $45 to $250 + CA DROS fee.
^Average seems to be around $60 + CA DROS fees.

[Capybara]

If that is the Dealer Transfer Fee and includes DROS, $125 is a bit high, but in the ballpark. If it's $125 + DROS, find a better dealer, that's high.