Requesting a firearm be added to the curio and relic list.

[Mustang]

Is there a procedure for requesting that a commemorative firearm be added to the C&R list before it is 50 years old?

[TKM]

It's inconveniently located in the stack of docs you got with your license.

[aghauler]

Is there a procedure for requesting that a commemorative firearm be added to the C&R list before it is 50 years old?

Yes there is but don't get your hopes up unless you can get a curator from a museum to back you up.

I went through it with Italian Garands that were filtering into the country before the 50 year rule kicked in. Doesn't matter now.
I submitted twice based on the rarity and low production numbers etc,
Got the same form letter back with the "description of a C&R" and that the Italian Garands didn't qualify, based on low production numbers, and rarity.
I finally gave up and waited about 10 years for the 50 year rule to kick in.

But you can thank a museum somewhere (can't remember where) that has a CZ 82 on display that was made less than 50 years ago which got all that model, regardless of manufacture date, designated a C&R.

Pretty simple, write a letter with you detailed request, photos etc and send it to ATF look on the website for the correct Dept to send it to and wait. Took 60 days each time I sent in a request.

Good Luck!

[G-forceJunkie]

I got zero docs with my 03. Was I supposed to?

It's inconveniently located in the stack of docs you got with your license.

[morrcarr67]

I got zero docs with my 03. Was I supposed to?

Yup, with my last new license they sent me a CD with all the info.

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[Quiet]

Is there a procedure for requesting that a commemorative firearm be added to the C&R list before it is 50 years old?

Yes there is but don't get your hopes up unless you can get a curator from a museum to back you up.

I went through it with Italian Garands that were filtering into the country before the 50 year rule kicked in. Doesn't matter now.
I submitted twice based on the rarity and low production numbers etc,
Got the same form letter back with the "description of a C&R" and that the Italian Garands didn't qualify, based on low production numbers, and rarity.
I finally gave up and waited about 10 years for the 50 year rule to kick in.

But you can thank a museum somewhere (can't remember where) that has a CZ 82 on display that was made less than 50 years ago which got all that model, regardless of manufacture date, designated a C&R.

Pretty simple, write a letter with you detailed request, photos etc and send it to ATF look on the website for the correct Dept to send it to and wait. Took 60 days each time I sent in a request.

Good Luck!

IMO...

BATFE is biased against individual requests and, AFAIK, has never granted an individual request for C&R status.

Unless you are a curator of a museum or historical society and have a PhD in History and have historical documentation/records that back your request, you have a less than 1% chance of success.

[Wheellock]

Sounds like we need to team up with museums to get anything done. And as a former museum volunteer, we were always happy to have help.

One that struck me recently is the surplus M17 pistols that Sig sold off, those should be C&R.

[aghauler]

IMO...

BATFE is biased against individual requests and, AFAIK, has never granted an individual request for C&R status.

Unless you are a curator of a museum or historical society and have a PhD in History and have historical documentation/records that back your request, you have a less than 1% chance of success.

Very True.

I might have had chance if I'd taken one of the Italian Garands to the Museum in Carson City NV, they have a nice display and would have been easy to discuss with the Curator. But didn't think of that approach in time.

[Mustang]

There are a lot of commemorative revolvers on the C&R list which are not yet 50 years old. Various Federal Agency commemorative pieces, State Police, etc. There are a few in that same category which are on the list.

For instance, the ATF S&W model 66 commemorative is on the list. The FBI, Secret Service, Customs also have commemorative revolvers which are not on the list. If you are requesting to add another Agency commemorative revolver, which is really no different than one already on the list save for being a different agency, it seems like it would be a no-brainer for the ATF.

[dfletcher]

There are a lot of commemorative revolvers on the C&R list which are not yet 50 years old. Various Federal Agency commemorative pieces, State Police, etc. There are a few in that same category which are on the list.

For instance, the ATF S&W model 66 commemorative is on the list. The FBI, Secret Service, Customs also have commemorative revolvers which are not on the list. If you are requesting to add another Agency commemorative revolver, which is really no different than one already on the list save for being a different agency, it seems like it would be a no-brainer for the ATF.

S&W and Winchester have alot of commemoratives listed. I have their Model 544 and 25-3. I wonder if S&W is the catalyst for getting them on?

[jl7422]

Individuals have had items added to the NFA exempt C&R category by providing original factory documentation.

[Quiet]

BATFE procedure for C&R consideration... (note part in bold)

To be recognized as C&R items, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
1. Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
2. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
3. Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

If you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories 2 or 3 above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) for a formal classification.

Please note that firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) may be classified as C&R items, but still may be subject to the provisions of the NFA. If your C&R item is an NFA firearm (e.g., Winchester Trappers) and you desire removal from the NFA status, you must submit it to FATD for evaluation and a formal classification.

Our division does not make determinations based on drawings, photographs, written descriptions, or diagrams. In order to render an appropriate classification, please ship the physical item and any supporting information to the following address:

FATD/FTISB
244 Needy Rd., Suite 1600
Martinsburg, WV 25405

Please ship your item to FATD with a prepaid return shipping label with tracking for the return of your item. Providing a shipping account number instead of a trackable prepaid shipping label will not be accepted.

The U.S. Postal Service(link is external) recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

You cannot ship a handgun or ammunition through the U.S. Postal Service. A commercial carrier must be used to ship a handgun. Please check with the specific carrier before shipping to ensure your package meets all of legal requirements.

Do not use packing peanuts or similar types of packing material that may become lodged into moving parts of the item or device and cause safety issues. Small parts and pieces must be placed into a sealed zip-lock type clear plastic bag to prevent loss. FATD may be unable to return the sample if the item is classified as an unregistered NFA weapon (machinegun, silencer, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, etc.), or any other legally prohibited item.

[19K]

But you can thank a museum somewhere (can't remember where) that has a CZ 82 on display that was made less than 50 years ago which got all that model, regardless of manufacture date, designated a C&R.


Good Luck!

And army issued Walther P1s

[Capybara]

And the Radom P64!

[SilveradoColt21]

I would not get my hopes up to be honest, seems like a pipe dream to get any newer Colt added to the C & R exempt list.