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  • SVT-40
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2008
    • 12894

    Collecting late date Finnish M-39's W/ SN survey. Post yours here. Updated 9-1-24

    The purpose of this thread is to try and pin down the Serial number ranges for these Finnish late date production rifles.

    Please post your rifle, as well as information you may have seen on the net, especially if the rifles SN is outside the ranges in the chart below.

    I've done some studying over the past few years and have come up with a "serial number range chart" showing the lowest and highest SN's of each year. This is by no means a exhaustive study and I have modified over time it when I saw a SN which fell outside of what I had previously seen.

    Here it is. Last Updated 9-1-24

    Finnish late issue "Date only" rifles

    1967 300033 ----- 301076 Approx. 1,100 Rifles

    1968 301343 ----- 303584Approx. 2,200 Rifles

    1969 303775 ----- 304166 Approx. 400 Rifles

    1970 304341 ----- 306484 Approx. 2,200 Rifles

    1971 No information

    1972 No information


    The below rifles are erratic in their SN's, and as such don't appear to follow any true range.

    48 "Dated" rifles ----- 200878 204865 211889 30005 41018 220972 33552

    "No maker no date" ----- 45593 52244 55064 57312 203475 247633
    258382 500422 507530 506020 215881 54997 233875

    Added 8 more "No maker no date" from a Classic Firearms Youtube video. 204050 259449 259232 50010 250906 259598 253041 251753


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    Shortly after these rifles hit the American market American collectors and sellers started calling these rifles "sneak" rifles.. Implying some sort of clandestine production that needed to be hidden from the Soviet Union. This was nothing but hype to increase interest and prices.

    The reality was much more mundane. Here is the true information related to production and their intended use.


    Almost all of "Sneak M-39s" were assembled by ASEVARIKKO 1 in a town Kuopio; nowadays KUOPION ASEVARIKKO. (Finnish word "asevarikko" means "the arms depot of Finnish Army"). The stamp ASEV 1 means just the depot (not a factory) where the rifles are assembled. Receivers, barrels and breech-bolts may all bear the different serial numbers. Parts of the bolt may also be stamped with variable numbers. They were assembled from the huge pile of spare parts, but - PLEASE NOTE! - they were assembled scrupulously: Too big or too small clearance of a headspace was not allowed. Actually, the allowances of bore, chamber and action dimensions were smaller than those of original rifles M-39 made for use of average riflemen, as these "Sneak Rifles" were made for sniping. If the barrel was chopped from an old Mosin-Nagant M-1891 barrel, it's muzzle end was somewhat too thin. The front sight of rifle M-39 was fitted on it with a thin-walled bushing. Barrels, receivers and steel furnitures of these rifles are blackened to look very beautiful.





    I picked this 1968 dated Finnish at a auction site recently. Like new, great pristine bore and beautiful post war stock. Matching bolt too.

    I also have a 1967, another 1968, a 1969 and a 1970 dated rifles.

    I also got a "48" dated rifle a month or so ago.

    I need a "no maker no date" M-39 to go with the rest.









    Last edited by SVT-40; 09-01-2024, 2:26 PM.
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    Originally posted by fiddletown
    What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.
  • #2
    kouye
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 937

    I have a '68, #303037

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    • #3
      SVT-40
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2008
      • 12894

      My other 68 is 301538. I checked my inventory. I have two 1970 dated rifles.

      Anyone with one of these late date M-39's feel free to post some pics in this thread!
      Last edited by SVT-40; 04-24-2022, 9:09 AM.
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      Originally posted by fiddletown
      What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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      • #4
        deoxys987
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 832

        I have a plum barrel '68 "Late-Date" M/39. Shoots great!
        1937 S/42 P.08 Luger
        1939 Tula TT-33
        1939 Erma RC Mauser 98k
        1942 "B" Barrel M/91
        1943 Izhevsk 91/30 PU Sniper
        1957 Tula SKS
        Hungarian Border Force AK-55 Reweld
        1968 "Late-date" Finnish M39
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        • #5
          DaveInOroValley
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2010
          • 8967

          Sounds like you'll never finish that collection.
          NRA Life Member

          Vet since 1978

          "Don't bother me with facts, Son. I've already made up my mind." -Foghorn Leghorn

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          • #6
            Mustang
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2007
            • 5047

            I'm also in the hunt for the "no maker, late date" M39's. I've got a 1968 and 2 1970's. The 1967 and the 1969 are much harder to come by IMO.

            There are supposed to be 1971 and 1972 dated M39's also, but I've never seen them.








            ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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            • #7
              SVT-40
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2008
              • 12894

              Great rifles! I changed the title of this thread to hopefully get more responses and information on these rifles.
              Last edited by SVT-40; 05-03-2022, 5:25 PM.
              Poke'm with a stick!


              Originally posted by fiddletown
              What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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              • #8
                SkyHawk
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2012
                • 23496

                I have a nice, nearly mint no-make with a 1970 dated barrel, serial 30434x

                Here is an old photo, I need to get some updated pics.


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                • #9
                  hambam105
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7083

                  About 200 years ago at a local gun show, I bagged a BTS M39 that no one wanted. BFD, right.

                  Fast forward to the time when a 440 round spam can topped $100, now everyone wants my M39
                  because by then group think came to their own assumption that this rifle, by its appearance and
                  numbers, went to war. What war? Beats me.

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                  • #10
                    SVT-40
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 12894

                    Originally posted by SkyHawk
                    I have a nice, nearly mint no-make with a 1970 dated barrel, serial 30434x

                    Here is an old photo, I need to get some updated pics.


                    Are you sure of that date and SN? That would be way outside the range for a 1970 dated rifle that I've seen.

                    It could be though..

                    If it is I will update my chart.
                    Poke'm with a stick!


                    Originally posted by fiddletown
                    What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                    • #11
                      Mustang
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 5047

                      Originally posted by SVT-40
                      Great rifles! I changed the title of this thread to hopefully get more responses and information on these rifles.

                      I've done some studying over the past few years and have come up with a "serial number range chart" showing the lowest and highest SN's of each year. This is by no means a exhaustive study and I have modified over time it when I saw a SN which fell outside of what I had previously seen.

                      Here it is.

                      Finnish late issue "Date only" rifles

                      1967 300608 ----- 300914 Approx. 300 Rifles

                      1968 301362 ----- 303467 Approx. 2,100 Rifles

                      1969 303775 ----- 304166 Approx. 400 Rifles

                      1970 305035 ----- 306420 Approx. 1,400 Rifles

                      1971 No information

                      1972 No information


                      The below rifles are erratic in their SN's, and as such don't appear to follow any true range.

                      48 "Dated" rifles ----- 200878 204865 211889 30005

                      "No maker no date" ----- 45593 52244 55064 57312 203475 247633
                      258382 500422 507530
                      Good information, SVT. And nice rifles!
                      ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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                      • #12
                        SVT-40
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 12894

                        Originally posted by DaveInOroValley
                        Sounds like you'll never finish that collection.
                        Lol... Thinking a bit harder I have to call it more of an "accumulation" rather than a collection

                        But you are correct I'll never be done...

                        Lol.
                        Poke'm with a stick!


                        Originally posted by fiddletown
                        What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                        • #13
                          SkyHawk
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 23496

                          Originally posted by SVT-40
                          Are you sure of that date and SN? That would be way outside the range for a 1970 dated rifle that I've seen.

                          It could be though..

                          If it is I will update my chart.
                          I will check my computer for more pics, and if I don't have any I will find this thing and take new ones.

                          But yes, that is the info in my spreadsheet, which is kept as accurate as possible.
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                          • #14
                            Capybara
                            CGSSA Coordinator
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Feb 2012
                            • 15269

                            My 1968 No Maker. Such a nice rifle! I miss Pat Burns. I got this for $300 back in the big sell off.

                            NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor, Shotgun Instructor and Range Safety Officer

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                            • #15
                              SVT-40
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 12894

                              Originally posted by Capybara
                              My 1968 No Maker. Such a nice rifle! I miss Pat Burns. I got this for $300 back in the big sell off.
                              Nice! what is the SN for my survey?
                              Poke'm with a stick!


                              Originally posted by fiddletown
                              What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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