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  • The Gleam
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 12256

    Another Rare Norwegian... Military Contract P38

    Seeing Highpower's beautiful Norwegian inspired me to post another Norwegian, of a different flavor, and one that's seldom ever seen.

    An extremely rare 1975 Norwegian military contract Walther P-38. No import mark. Note the Norwegian crest roll-mark, with E/413 proofs in various places.

    It is estimated that only 25 or so Norwegian-marked P-38's made it to the United States, with only 200 or so left in total to still exist (globally).

    Less than 500 were made available to Norwegian shooters and collectors upon ceasing the contracts, where it's suspected 200 or so were actually sold to the public that may be left - (or may not be, considering like anything else, stuff gets lost, stolen, ruined, turned in to police, parted out for lack of knowledge - whatever).

    Otherwise, most all of the contract guns were either destroyed or parted out.

    When looking through many collector guides on P38s, this Norwegian rarity is often overlooked, rarely ever mentioned or cited, nor noted in many "Blue Book" guides. At all. However, it's covered extensively in Per Mathisen's book, under "Walthers P-38 Pistol In Norway". I would like to see more reference books mention the anomaly.

    Norway tested it in 1961, purchase orders were set in 1962, with production and deliveries seeming to start either late 1962 or early 1963. Early contract pistols of the 1960s had the serial number also rollmarked on the left side of the slide near and forward of the safety, later contract slides like this 1975 example have no serial number on the slide.

    Later examples like this one, were commercial pistols pulled for the Norwegian contract, showing the circle proof without a dot (used for commercial production.) This one was part of that lot delivered approximately 1975.

    Just not something you see every day, and stands as a special, but understated, even subdued, highlight of my P38 collection but that upon revelation of it's rarety, deserves attention.

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    Originally posted by Librarian
    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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    highpower
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2012
    • 5294

    Jeeze that is nice. I must admit that I never knew about them before.

    The only Scandinavian police gun I have is one of the Norwegian made Lahti's that were made for the Danish police.
    Last edited by highpower; 02-05-2022, 3:50 PM.
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    • #3
      SVT-40
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      • Jan 2008
      • 12894

      Thanks for sharing your beautiful pistol!

      I had never even heard of this contract type of P-38.
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      • #4
        Capybara
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        • Feb 2012
        • 15266

        Pretty bad *** Gleam, it looks "normal" other than that "N" rollmark and the others sprinkled. The thing looks brand new too. Ya gonna shoot it or have you or too rare?
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        • #5
          morrcarr67
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          • Jul 2010
          • 15005

          Very nice little piece of rareness.

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          • #6
            Pofoo
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 1679

            Steel frame??

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            • #7
              The Gleam
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              • Feb 2011
              • 12256

              Originally posted by Capybara
              Pretty bad *** Gleam, it looks "normal" other than that "N" rollmark and the others sprinkled. The thing looks brand new too. Ya gonna shoot it or have you or too rare?
              Everything I acquire, I shoot at least once, regardless of how rare.

              Now it's not like I put a 1,000 rounds down range with them, but I typically shoot at least 50 rounds through them - as I previously did with this one - just to say I did. The experience, nostalgia, etc.

              It performed and ran flawlessly.

              Originally posted by Pofoo
              Steel frame??
              On par with most post-war P38s, it's aluminum/alloy frame.

              (Though I do have a rare Austrian post-war steel frame manufactured circa 1955-1957, made by Walther for the Austrians when they became independent, using some leftover frames/parts from WWII that were buffed to remove the original markings, combined with some new parts.)


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              Originally posted by Librarian
              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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              • #8
                81turbota
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                • Oct 2014
                • 2956

                Awesome score!
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                • #9
                  C&Rtrader
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 1335

                  Originally posted by The Gleam
                  Everything I acquire, I shoot at least once, regardless of how rare.

                  Now it's not like I put a 1,000 rounds down range with them, but I typically shoot at least 50 rounds through them - as I previously did with this one - just to say I did. The experience, nostalgia, etc.

                  It performed and ran flawlessly.

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                  ^^^^ This. I always tried to shoot each handgun I bought at least once. Rifles were harder but handguns i could run to my local indoor range. always felt like I knew the gun better if I got to actually shoot it.
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                  • #10
                    dfletcher
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 14787

                    Originally posted by The Gleam
                    Seeing Highpower's beautiful Norwegian inspired me to post another Norwegian, of a different flavor, and one that's seldom ever seen.

                    An extremely rare 1975 Norwegian military contract Walther P-38. No import mark. Note the Norwegian crest roll-mark, with E/413 proofs in various places.

                    It is estimated that only 25 or so Norwegian-marked P-38's made it to the United States, with only 200 or so left in total to still exist (globally).

                    Less than 500 were made available to Norwegian shooters and collectors upon ceasing the contracts, where it's suspected 200 or so were actually sold to the public that may be left - (or may not be, considering like anything else, stuff gets lost, stolen, ruined, turned in to police, parted out for lack of knowledge - whatever).

                    Otherwise, most all of the contract guns were either destroyed or parted out.

                    When looking through many collector guides on P38s, this Norwegian rarity is often overlooked, rarely ever mentioned or cited, nor noted in many "Blue Book" guides. At all. However, it's covered extensively in Per Mathisen's book, under "Walthers P-38 Pistol In Norway". I would like to see more reference books mention the anomaly.

                    Norway tested it in 1961, purchase orders were set in 1962, with production and deliveries seeming to start either late 1962 or early 1963. Early contract pistols of the 1960s had the serial number also rollmarked on the left side of the slide near and forward of the safety, later contract slides like this 1975 example have no serial number on the slide.

                    Later examples like this one, were commercial pistols pulled for the Norwegian contract, showing the circle proof without a dot (used for commercial production.) This one was part of that lot delivered approximately 1975.

                    Just not something you see every day, and stands as a special, but understated, even subdued, highlight of my P38 collection but that upon revelation of it's rarety, deserves attention.

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                    • #11
                      The Gleam
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 12256

                      As an update to this thread; I found two examples of very rare holsters for it.

                      For the longest time, 3 years at least, I had word-searches on Ebay, Gunbroker, and Auction Arms for "Norwegian Green Holster" or "Norwegian Blue Holster" without any hits.

                      Then at nearly the exact same time, from two different sellers, both a green and a blue example show up a day apart and a great price for each. Bought both.

                      Pictured below, nearly as rare as the gun itself.








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                      Originally posted by Librarian
                      What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                      If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      • #12
                        k1dude
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                        • May 2009
                        • 14272

                        Wow. Those are sh1tty holsters.

                        I would prefer photos of a Norwegian bikini beauty holding your pistol for posterity.
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                        • #13
                          The Gleam
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                          • Feb 2011
                          • 12256

                          Originally posted by k1dude
                          Wow. Those are sh1tty holsters.

                          I would prefer photos of a Norwegian bikini beauty holding your pistol for posterity.
                          Agree; but the material is more durable than it looks. It's almost like some kind of fiber-reinforced and weaved canvas layered in rubber. It's a dense material. They sure won't rip or tear easily, nor deteriorate quickly over time. Probably would last longer than leather.

                          They look more flimsy in the photos than they actually are.

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                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          • #14
                            Eddie1965
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1465

                            Congrats! I also obsess over finding the correct holsters for my pistols.
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                            • #15
                              Sutcliffe
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 6792

                              Had no idea

                              I know very little about P-38 collecting, but those machining marks seem odd to me from a postwar gun.

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