Mauser C96 Questions

[Rogerbutthead]

I thought original German stocked Mauser C96's were removed from the NFA - per page 38 - https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...stpdf/download - per ATF Publication 5300.

[MyOdessa]

I thought original German stocked Mauser C96's were removed from the NFA - per page 38 - https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...stpdf/download - per ATF Publication 5300.

They are fine federally, prohibition is strictly a California DOJ BS. It also applies to stocked HP (Inglis) and Lugers in California. There is also potential issue with non-original/copies stocks possessed with these handguns.

[Wheellock]

They are fine federally, prohibition is strictly a California DOJ BS. It also applies to stocked HP (Inglis) and Lugers in California. There is also potential issue with non-original/copies stocks possessed with these handguns.

Yes, the wording is:

Mauser, Model 1896, semiautomatic pistol, as produced by Mauser prior to 1940 accompanied
by original German mfd. detachable holster/shoulder stocks, any cal.

page 44 https://www.atf.gov/file/128116/download

[pitfighter]

The WM monogram grips are interesting and kinda really cool!

CMR is a great resource for history and replacement parts for the civilian market C96's.

https://www.cmrfirearms.com/pistols-mauser-parts-monogram-mauser-pistol-grips-ref02b-p-519.html

They have truly beautiful C96 cases for the collector who wants it all.

Then there's the M712 Mauser, this one is for sale, they want $30K which is a little steep, but I don't think they REALLY want to sell it.

[Quiet]

Be careful in Commiefornicatia with the holster/stock. You can own them both but if you put the stock on the pistol you have a SBR and need an NFA tax stamp. Just sayin'.......
Jon

I thought original German stocked Mauser C96's were removed from the NFA - per page 38 - https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...stpdf/download - per ATF Publication 5300.

They are fine federally, prohibition is strictly a California DOJ BS. It also applies to stocked HP (Inglis) and Lugers in California. There is also potential issue with non-original/copies stocks possessed with these handguns.

Clarification.

What is at issue is CA assault weapons laws.

The Mauser C96 with original stock/holster is not considered a SBR under Federal laws and CA laws, due to it being a C&R that was removed from the NFA registry.

The Mauser C96 with an unattached stock/holster is not considered a SBR under CA laws due to it's Federal C&R status. [PC 17705(a)]

Post-1898 Mauser C96 with attached stock/holster meets CA's definition of a "rifle" [PC 17090] and, since it's now a "rifle", it meets CA's definition of an assault weapon (semi-auto centerfire rifle with an overall length of less than 30"). [PC 30515(a)(3)]

There is no C&R exemption to CA assault weapons laws.

There is an antique firearm exemption to CA assault weapons laws. [PC 30515(d)(1)]

This means...
... Mauser C96 made before 01-01-1899 [PC 16170(a)] are exempt from CA assault weapons laws and are CA legal to have it's stock/holster attached to it.
... Mauser C96 made after 12-31-1898 are not exempt from CA assault weapons laws and are CA illegal to have it's stock/holster attached to it.

Therefore, while in CA, post-1898 Mauser C96 should never have it's stock/holster attached to it.

All of the above also applies to other C&R handguns with stock/holster that were removed from the NFA registry.



Penal Code 17705
(a) The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to any firearm or ammunition that is a curio or relic as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and that is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the items under Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

Penal Code 16590
As used in this part, “generally prohibited weapon” means any of the following:
(s) A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, as prohibited by Section 33215.

Penal Code 17090
As used in Sections 16530, 16640, 16650, 16660, 16870, and 17170, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, subdivision (f) of Section 27555, Article 2 (commencing with Section 30300) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(d) “Assault weapon” does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.

Penal Code 16170
(a) As used in Sections 30515 and 30530, “antique firearm” means any firearm manufactured before January 1, 1899.

[saki302]

Quiet delivers ��

7.62x25 and .30 mauser is dimensionally identical.

The trick is to buy ppu 7.62x25 ammo, shoot it in a tokarev, then reload it for .30 mauser.
The dies are the same. I've made .30 mauser loads which work well. Load data is about starting levels (min) for 7.62 tok.

[7.62user]

Nice examples. Mine has a lot of wear and some bolt issues but it's all number matching. I need to pull it back to load it, stripper clip wont fit all the way. Part of the bolt prevents clips to go in. Maybe its needs a work out to function again. No ammo, but surplus 7.62x25 fits. I figured with wore out bore it will handle it. No ones in the familly remember it ever being shoot and it was in my family for ever. I have plenty of 7.62x25 brass and might load it with .32 projecticles to give it a light work out.

[pitfighter]

Nice examples. Mine has a lot of wear and some bolt issues but it's all number matching. I need to pull it back to load it, stripper clip wont fit all the way. Part of the bolt prevents clips to go in. Maybe its needs a work out to function again. No ammo, but surplus 7.62x25 fits. I figured with wore out bore it will handle it. No ones in the familly remember it ever being shoot and it was in my family for ever. I have plenty of 7.62x25 brass and might load it with .32 projecticles to give it a light work out.

Nice Bolo.

If you're near Los Angeles PM me, there is a LGS with a good supply of Fiocchi .30 Mauser in stock and it's less than a dollar a pop, which seems reasonable these days for a lesser known caliber.

[aolis110]

[Eddie1965]

Here is my matching numbers Red 9:



I was able to buy an original stock (non-matching obviously) and harness to complete the rig.