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  • Abenaki
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1077

    Conversion cylinders for cap and ball

    Any laws that I need to be aware of for getting and using a cartridge conversion cylinder for a cap and ball revolver in this state?

    I've been loading black powder cartridges for a while. So no problems with that.

    Just don't want to run a fowl of the law.

    Thanks
    Abenaki
    "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

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    ojisan
    Agent 86
    CGN Contributor
    • Apr 2008
    • 11768

    Nothing wrong with getting and using.
    Just can't sell it with the cartridge cylinder installed.
    Otherwise most makers say not to get too hot on the loads for these cylinders and for steel frame gun use only.

    Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
    I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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    • #3
      Abenaki
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 1077

      Thanks.

      Take care
      Abenaki
      "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

      I'd rather be a Boomer, than generation crybaby!

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      • #4
        Sutcliffe
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2003
        • 6792

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        • #5
          kendog4570
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2008
          • 5180

          The way I understand it, if any machining/fitting is involved, it is manufacturing, which is a federal thing.
          Howell will not do it without transferring it back, and all the fed/cal hoops that go along with it, while Kirst will.

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          • #6
            The Gleam
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2011
            • 12691

            Originally posted by kendog4570
            The way I understand it, if any machining/fitting is involved, it is manufacturing, which is a federal thing.
            Howell will not do it without transferring it back, and all the fed/cal hoops that go along with it, while Kirst will.
            Conversion cylinders: pop in / pop out, right out of the box. Nothing more to do.



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            Last edited by The Gleam; 12-23-2021, 11:51 AM.
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            Originally posted by Librarian
            What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

            If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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            • #7
              Garand Hunter
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 2785

              Please where can these cylinders be obtained ? Thanks

              Psalm 1

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              • #8
                scvpiper
                Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 282

                Originally posted by Garand Hunter
                Please where can these cylinders be obtained ? Thanks

                Psalm 1
                here ya go.

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                • #9
                  kendog4570
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 5180

                  Originally posted by The Gleam
                  Conversion cylinders: pop in / pop out, right out of the box. Nothing more to do.



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                  Agreed. I should have said machining/altering the existing BP gun.

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                  • #10
                    Wheellock
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2019
                    • 1112

                    Since you asked about the law, there is a thread about the legal aspects around here somewhere.....

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                    • #11
                      bigbossman
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 11172

                      Originally posted by scvpiper
                      Dang.... That's almost the price of a new gun!
                      Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

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                      • #12
                        edgerly779
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 19871

                        Quiet posted in 2019 that this violates handgun laws. No engraving, not registered as modern firearm. serial number not in afis. If confiscated could face charges. Someone should check with doj and see what real answer qwould be.

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                        • #13
                          The Gleam
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 12691

                          Not worried about it in the slightest.

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                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          • #14
                            M76
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 5953

                            Cowboy Action BP Lead FN ammo
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                            Originally posted by dunndeal
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                            • #15
                              Darto
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 6646

                              Kirst are very expensive. Howell used to be the most popular but I do believe Howell supply is going to be temporarily or permanently meager, compared to the past.

                              If you want a conversion cylinder now is the time to buy one. May not be able to do that later.

                              A Howell conversion cylinder for Pietta 1860 Army, very popular make and style of gun. Conversion cylinder for it discontinued by manufacturer (according to Midway). And my searching found them not available any of the places which have sold these for many years. No longer available at the Howells website either.

                              Other models like the Uberti 1860 army are still listed for sale and not marked discontinued.
                              But for some of these other models' stock is flagged 'Very Low' on the Howells site.

                              Walker conversion cylinder Uberti (Pietta never made a Walker): Lots of them in stock, no low stock warnings on the Howells site.

                              I'm not sure what is going on. Production problems due to covid perhaps? Is Howells considering not making conversion cylinders again? I don't know. But Midway has some of the most popular models of Howells marked as 'discontinued by the manufacturer'.

                              I do not see any such problems with Kirst. But they are more expensive and some are not as easy as fitting as just drop in.

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