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[hylander]

So I already have a COE and thought may be I should get the C&R.
Is it good out of state, say I go to Oregon or Nevada.
Can I buy out of state in person or just ordering say from say an online vendor.

[Cokebottle]

So I already have a COE and thought may be I should get the C&R.
Is it good out of state, say I go to Oregon or Nevada.
Can I buy out of state in person or just ordering say from say an online vendor.

Currently anything shipped into California must go through an 01FFL.
This was one of the unfortunate changes in 2014.

However, we can still, with the 03+COE, purchase both long guns and handguns (C&R only) out of state and bring them home so long as we register them and pay the $19 freedom tax.

The 03/COE also provides an exemption from the upcoming ammo restrictions... provided you can find a vendor that recognizes the exemption.

[brad96cdc]

Has anyone applied as a partnership? Maybe their wives or adult children and pay the same fee ?


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[hylander]

Currently anything shipped into California must go through an 01FFL.
This was one of the unfortunate changes in 2014.

However, we can still, with the 03+COE, purchase both long guns and handguns (C&R only) out of state and bring them home so long as we register them and pay the $19 freedom tax.

The 03/COE also provides an exemption from the upcoming ammo restrictions... provided you can find a vendor that recognizes the exemption.

So C&R can no longer purchase from say AIM or Gun Broker ?

[Cokebottle]

So C&R can no longer purchase from say AIM or Gun Broker ?

Not under the new laws.

It's been debated but there was a pretty definitive posting of the PC a few days ago.

tldr version...

In-State purchase of C&R long gun may be done FTF or shipped to your home (licensed residence)
In-State purchase of C&R Handgun must be done through FFL. 10 day wait exemption applies, but DROS software does not allow it for PPT, only dealer transfer. Develop a good relationship with your dealer and MAYBE you can talk them into logging the PPT into their inventory, then back out to you as a dealer transfer. The exemption would then apply, but not the $35 limit (that's where the good relationship comes in )

Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun may be done FTF, import and report/register immediately upon returning home.
Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun by shipment must transfer through FFL, 10 day wait exemption applies.

C&R handguns are still exempt from the roster.

[hylander]

0ne more question.
if the person you are buying from does not have c&r or coe, are you required to give them a copy of your c&r .

[Cokebottle]

0ne more question.
if the person you are buying from does not have c&r or coe, are you required to give them a copy of your c&r .

Nope.

[Tysandiego]

Mailed FFL app 9/23
CC dinged 9/28
License in mail 10/21

I sent out the COE (after fingerprints) on 9/30 as of 10/21 No activity.

Update:
Received COE on 11/03

[SquidBilly]

Not under the new laws.

It's been debated but there was a pretty definitive posting of the PC a few days ago.

tldr version...

In-State purchase of C&R long gun may be done FTF or shipped to your home (licensed residence)
In-State purchase of C&R Handgun must be done through FFL. 10 day wait exemption applies, but DROS software does not allow it for PPT, only dealer transfer. Develop a good relationship with your dealer and MAYBE you can talk them into logging the PPT into their inventory, then back out to you as a dealer transfer. The exemption would then apply, but not the $35 limit (that's where the good relationship comes in )

Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun may be done FTF, import and report/register immediately upon returning home.
Out of state purchase of C&R handgun or long gun by shipment must transfer through FFL, 10 day wait exemption applies.

C&R handguns are still exempt from the roster.

To avoid confusion.

You are talking about 03's only, not 03+COE's?

[Cokebottle]

To avoid confusion.

You are talking about 03's only, not 03+COE's?

For the most part, yes.
On purchasing out of state, I am not 100% certain (having both, even though I've read the status more than once in the last 6 years but I have not bothered to commit it to memory).
The 03 is sufficient to satisfy federal law, but I believe the COE is needed for California law.

[six seven tango]

For the most part, yes.
On purchasing out of state, I am not 100% certain (having both, even though I've read the status more than once in the last 6 years but I have not bothered to commit it to memory).
The 03 is sufficient to satisfy federal law, but I believe the COE is needed for California law.

A COE is not needed, at this time, for an out of state purchase as long as the buyer has an 03 and is personally bringing the firearm across the state line. BOF Form 4100a would be used to report the purchase within 5 days, and there is no place for the COE on that form.

CA PC 27565 covers the out of state acquisition of a C&R firearm.

27565.

(a) This section applies in the following circumstances:

(1) A person is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(2) The licensed premises of that person are within this state.

(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.

(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.

(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.
(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 745, Sec. 28. Effective January 1, 2012.)

[SquidBilly]

For the most part, yes.
On purchasing out of state, I am not 100% certain (having both, even though I've read the status more than once in the last 6 years but I have not bothered to commit it to memory).
The 03 is sufficient to satisfy federal law, but I believe the COE is needed for California law.

Yes. With 03+CoE it's good to.go.

The only part of your other post that was incorrect was that long guns purchased out of state and shipped need to go through FFL01 and 10 day wait.

With 03+COE, all long guns can be shipped to your door.

Only handgun shipments have to go through FFL01.

All out of state handgun or long gun via FTF purchases need 03 only.

[Cokebottle]

With 03+COE, all long guns can be shipped to your door.

Only handgun shipments have to go through FFL01.

This has been pretty hotly debated recently and PC was posted that satisfies me that it is no longer permitted effective 2014.
Trying to find it now but it's apparently not in the C&R subforum

In-state purchases are still legal to ship to your door.

It IS still legal per BATFE regulations.

[SquidBilly]

AIM, J&G, Allan's and others will ship to 03+COE. Not that they're the harbinger of the law, but they will and I won't mind letting them.

[SonOfaDI]

FFL 03 request out and back in under a month. Nov to Dec. Holding off on the COE as do not see the immediate need unless there is something i am missing as dealers like J&G only need signed copy of o3 and dl emailed or faed to them for purchase and direct delivery.