C&R FFL Application Form ATF 7CR - use the official BATFE PDF form!

[Databyter]

I sent mine in today. I consider myself lucky to have only recently investigated this option.

For me I just dl'd the form, wrote a check, and sent 2 return receipt letters.

I'm crossing my fingers.

I'm on the fence about the C&R + COE combo.

Not sure it's worth it.

The 10 day waiting is a pain but ifit saves me a hundred bucks it's not that much of a pain.

I thought I read someone hinting about ammunition exemptions too? and more than 1 in 30.

Is there a source for this?

[Cokebottle]

I thought I read someone hinting about ammunition exemptions too? and more than 1 in 30.

Is there a source for this?

Yes. AB962 specifically exempts holders of the 03FFL + COE, and that combination allows for more than one handgun every 30 days.

Some dealers (cough, Turner's, cough) seem to think it applies only to C&R handguns, and at least one DOJ person told a Calgunner the same thing, but that is not the case... The PC does not specify C&R only.

12072 (a)(9)(A)No person shall make an application to purchase more than one pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within any 30-day period.

(B)Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to any of the following:
...

(ix)Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with
Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant
thereto and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.

And the pertinent portion of AB962:

12318. (a) Commencing February 1, 2011, the delivery or transfer of ownership of handgun ammunition may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the deliverer or transferor being provided bona fide evidence of identity from the purchaser or other transferee. A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
....

(c) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to or affect the deliveries, transfers, or sales of, handgun ammunition to any of the following:

• (1) Authorized law enforcement representatives of cities, counties, cities and counties, or state and federal governments for exclusive use by those government agencies if, prior to the delivery, transfer, or sale of the handgun ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee, is obtained identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.
• (2) Sworn peace officers, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who are authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of their duties.
• (3) Importers and manufacturers of handgun ammunition or firearms licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
• (4) Persons who are on the centralized list maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12083.
• (5) Persons whose licensed premises are outside this state who are licensed as dealers or collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
• (6) Persons licensed as collectors of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto whose licensed premises are within this state who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.
• (7) A handgun ammunition vendor.
• (8) A consultant-evaluator, as defined in subdivision (s) of Section 12001.

[Databyter]

Thanks for your quick reply.

I actually found it I read the AB law while I was gone and just the exemption from the ammo alone makes getting the COE attractive to me.

I also was going to get a live scan anyway for another permit so I imagine the one live scan and the COE would cover the other need as well, so for me I'd only be paying out extra for the application itself.

A little voice inside me is saying that even if I don't use some of these privledges I better get them grandfathered in.

[Cokebottle]

I actually found it I read the AB law while I was gone and just the exemption from the ammo alone makes getting the COE attractive to me.

That is the main reason that I got mine.

I also was going to get a live scan anyway for another permit so I imagine the one live scan and the COE would cover the other need as well, so for me I'd only be paying out extra for the application itself.

I don't think so. Someone was asking about that a few months ago, and each permit needs it's own Livescan due to the different background checks for different permits.
Apparently, they can't bring up an older ATI and run a different background check. When my wife got her real estate license, she ended up having to get two Livescans.

A little voice inside me is saying that even if I don't use some of these privledges I better get them grandfathered in.

Bingo.

I've still not purchased any C&Rs, but it is very tempting.

[Bigtime1]

C&R FFL app and COE app are completely separate. You just follow the directions for the C&R app and send that in to ATF. Follw the directions for the COE app and send that to CADOJ. You can do it in either order. Historically, we waited for the C&R FFL to be issued before we applied for the COE since ATF could take a long time to approve and CADOJ gets the COE approved in ~2 weeks.

So you must have the C&R FFL before you can apply for the COE?

Or can you apply for both at the same time?

[Bigtime1]

[QUOTE]I don't think so. Someone was asking about that a few months ago, and each permit needs it's own Livescan due to the different background checks for different permits.
Apparently, they can't bring up an older ATI and run a different background check.[QUOTE]

Each Live Scan is a unique "transaction" that generates an ATI number that is tied to that ORI number.

[ke6guj]

So you must have the C&R FFL before you can apply for the COE?

Or can you apply for both at the same time?

each process is separate and has no linkage to the other. As I mentioned, you can do it in either order. or at the same time if you wish.

[Cokebottle]

So you must have the C&R FFL before you can apply for the COE?

Or can you apply for both at the same time?

The two are unrelated as far as application, but the COE alone is useless unless you are trying to get a job in a gun store.

Most people wait until they have their 03 in hand before they invest the $100 or so and time in the COE, just in case they get denied for the 03.

[Bigtime1]

The two are unrelated as far as application, but the COE alone is useless unless you are trying to get a job in a gun store.

Most people wait until they have their 03 in hand before they invest the $100 or so and time in the COE, just in case they get denied for the 03.

So it sounds like you should have the FFL03 in your hand to you can legitimately check the "collector" box under "Business Type"?

FFL app in the mail today, start your sundials!

[ke6guj]

you can be a collector even if you don't have an 03FFL, so you don't have to have the 03FFL first.

[Databyter]

I sent mine in today. I consider myself lucky to have only recently investigated this option.

For me I just dl'd the form, wrote a check, and sent 2 return receipt letters.

I'm crossing my fingers.

I'm on the fence about the C&R + COE combo.

Not sure it's worth it.

The 10 day waiting is a pain but ifit saves me a hundred bucks it's not that much of a pain.

I thought I read someone hinting about ammunition exemptions too? and more than 1 in 30.

Is there a source for this?

I just got my license yesterday, so for me it took 29 days from start to finish. I sent the app certified with return receipt for a little added insurance.

I also applied for the COE but have not yet heard from the State, granted I applied for that about ten days later, and during the holidays. I expect to hear something on that one fairly soon as well.

Just wanted to give a current State of affairs.

Now to edify some online ammo vendors and see who will honor the specific exemption that I now clearly enjoy under the law regarding online bulk ammo purchases.

[D53]

I printed the form off the link and mailed out yesterday ( didn't actually go out until today) but hopefully I'll see a $30 charge on my card in a week or two and get my 03 in a couple weeks.

Edit: Charge to my card was made!
1/14/2011 1/15/2011 ATF LICENSING CENTER WASHINGTON DC $30.00

[NYY]

lost here... is it 100% necessary to have a hunting license/permit?

"C. Are you in possession of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States?
1. If you answered "NO," you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee.
2. If you answered "YES," complete the following information, and attach a copy of the hunting license or permit to the application."

[Cokebottle]

lost here... is it 100% necessary to have a hunting license/permit?

"C. Are you in possession of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States?
1. If you answered "NO," you likely cannot lawfully possess a firearm and therefore cannot be a federal firearms licensee.
2. If you answered "YES," complete the following information, and attach a copy of the hunting license or permit to the application."

That only applies to nonimmigrant aliens.

[NYY]

ohhh. thanks so much!!