C&R 03-FFL + COE Privileges in 2019 California

[45acpguy]

Not from a seller in another state if your license address is in California.

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Interesting. I was always under the impression that with my 03ffl/COE I could have C&R long guns, purchased from sites like GB, shipped to my door.

[kemasa]

Interesting. I was always under the impression that with my 03ffl/COE I could have C&R long guns, purchased from sites like GB, shipped to my door.

That used to be the case, but the law changed, CA PC 27585.

[45acpguy]

That used to be the case, but the law changed, CA PC 27585.

Ok, but PC 27585 states subdivision (a) shall not apply to the follwoing...
(1) A licensed Collector who is in complaiance with PC 27565.

Am I still missing something?


27585. (a) Commencing
January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this
state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any
firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after
January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first
has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to
that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in
Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and
Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the
following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with
Section 27565.

[kemasa]

Ok, but PC 27585 states subdivision (a) shall not apply to the follwoing...
(1) A licensed Collector who is in complaiance with PC 27565.

Am I still missing something?


27585. (a) Commencing
January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this
state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any
firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after
January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first
has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to
that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in
Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and
Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the
following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with
Section 27565.

Did you read 27565?

[kemasa]

just to make it easier:

The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.

(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.

(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 745, Sec. 28. (AB 809) Effective January 1, 2012.)

[SkyHawk]

Ok, but PC 27585 states subdivision (a) shall not apply to the follwoing...
(1) A licensed Collector who is in complaiance with PC 27565.

Am I still missing something?

Yes. 27565 says the collector must take actual possession outside the state.

'Actual Possession' means immediate physical contact.

[Dvrjon]

I have a question I am not sure if it has been asked or answered elsewhere.
If I have an FFL 03 + COE after July 2019 will I be exempt from a new background check or will I have to pay the $1 or $19 fee like every other customer.
Or due I just submit my FFL credentials to the dealer like you would for an out of state purchase.

I had to go look through the Penal Code. It seems that FFL03 + COE exempts you from the requirement to purchase ammo through a licensed vendor and by face to face transaction but does not automatically authorize you as a purchaser from a vendor, unless I am missing something. Consequently, I believe you will be subject to the $1 or $19 fee if you buy from a licensed vendor in CA.

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The $19 fee isn't in play, as you've already had a background check for the COE. However, the newly-submitted ammo regulations from DOJ indicate that the COE holder will have to pay $1 to have the COE verified prior to purchase.

[bigstick61]

Are there any benefits to having either by itself?

[????? ????]

Are there any benefits to having either by itself?

I've used the FFL03 by itself as a proof of residency when purchasing a handgun.

[SkyHawk]

Are there any benefits to having either by itself?

If you go out of state you only need 03 FFL to bring back C&R handguns or long guns. And you can get discounts from some vendors with just the 03 FFL.

IIRC, a COE only is good for ammo purchase without background check when buying in person at a CA ammo vendor starting July 2019. I guess COE only also lets you work at a gun store.

[Dvrjon]

If you go out of state you only need 03 FFL to bring back C&R handguns or long guns. And you can get discounts from some vendors with just the 03 FFL.

IIRC, a COE only is good for ammo purchase without background check when buying in person at a CA ammo vendor starting July 2019. I guess COE only also lets you work at a gun store.

The regs indicate that the COE info will be put into the system for an instant check and approval/denial. It will cost $1.

Exemption from the DOJ ammo approval comes with an FFL 03 license.

[Hinnerk]

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Exemption from the DOJ ammo approval comes with an FFL 03 license.

Can you point me to the CA PC section(s) that create that exemption? I had thought it was the case but as I reread the law it seems that one only is exempted from buying from a licensed vendor and the requirement of a face to face transaction. I don't see the exemption from the $1 fee when buying from a licensed ammunition vendor.

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[rvr350]

Is the $1 coe verification done only when you have ammo shipped to a ffl01? Or everytime, ie when you buy ammo online and have it shipped to your ffl03/coe address?

[Hinnerk]

Is the $1 coe verification done only when you have ammo shipped to a ffl01? Or everytime, ie when you buy ammo online and have it shipped to your ffl03/coe address?

I'm supposing that out of state vendors are not licensed by state of CA and so not an issue.

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[????? ????]

Is the $1 coe verification done only when you have ammo shipped to a ffl01? Or everytime, ie when you buy ammo online and have it shipped to your ffl03/coe address?

There are 1) ammo sales that go through a licensed ammunition vendor. Those require the $1 COE vertification fee if you have a COE.

Penal Code section 30370 is the law requiring a background check for purchases through a licensed ammunition vendor. 11 CCR 4302 says a Standard Ammunition Eligibility Check for a person who already has a firearm in AFS is $1. 11 CCR 4304 says a one-time Basic Ammunition Eligibility Check is $19. 11 CCR 4305 says a COE verification check is $1.

There are 2) ammo sales that do not go through an ammunition vendor, such as online sales. People with FFL03 AND COE do not have to go through a licensed ammunition vendor.

Penal Code section 30314 is the law that requires ammunition sales occur through a licensed ammunition vendor. However, there are a number of exceptions that allow ammunition sales without going through an ammunition vendor. And one of those exceptions is PC30314(a)(5), having both a FFL03 and COE.