C&R handguns

[shootsocal_dave]

[morrcarr67]

It's a little hard to read but I think you are asking about an 03 C&R holder acquiring a C&R firearm while physically out of the state.

Well if you have an 03 C&R and aquire a C&R firearm while physically out of state all you need to do is file this form and pay you fee for registration.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf

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[shootsocal_dave]

It's a little hard to read but I think you are asking about an 03 C&R holder acquiring a C&R firearm while physically out of the state.

Well if you have an 03 C&R and aquire a C&R firearm while physically out of state all you need to do is file this form and pay you fee for registration.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/curioapp.pdf

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Right, I snowballed my thought process, I mean in state transfers, where the handgun must go through a dealer. BUT we know that doens't always happen, what happens to those guys.

[81turbota]

[emcon5]

Right, I snowballed my thought process, I mean in state transfers, where the handgun must go through a dealer. BUT we know that doens't always happen, what happens to those guys.

They commit a crime. Pretty sure it is a misdemeanor, but you would have to look at the relevant penal code chapter to confirm.

[shootsocal_dave]

I know its not legal, but I also know it happens. Then what. If someone has a gun they transferred illegally knowingly or not, what, the gun becomes contraband? Is there a way to fix it?

[Milsurp1]

[shootsocal_dave]

I get asked questions about stuff like this all the time. My customers tend to be Older C&R holders who either don't know the law, or just don't care lol. Old school fellas that don't keep up with the ever changing state stuff. They end up asking questions AFTER the fact rather than asking if it ok first.

Like I said, shower thoughts, not a "asking for a friend" situation. Im a dealer lol, you can come sit at MY desk and do paperwork, too easy to follow the law to want to cut corners.

[SamGoldstein]

I know its not legal, but I also know it happens. Then what. If someone has a gun they transferred illegally knowingly or not, what, the gun becomes contraband? Is there a way to fix it?

[shootsocal_dave]

That is along the lines with what I am talking about. That makes sense. I know of DA's dropping cases because of things like that. It is weird that you can get put in a scenario of "you did it wrong, now what" and there's no clear way to fix it.

[SVT-40]

I get asked questions about stuff like this all the time. My customers tend to be Older C&R holders who either don't know the law, or just don't care lol. Old school fellas that don't keep up with the ever changing state stuff. They end up asking questions AFTER the fact rather than asking if it ok first.

Like I said, shower thoughts, not a "asking for a friend" situation. Im a dealer lol, you can come sit at MY desk and do paperwork, too easy to follow the law to want to cut corners.

If said person was a Federally licensed collector they would be hard pressed to plead ignorance.

As a licensed collector he is legally expected to know AND follow ALL state laws related to ANY C&R firearm acquisition or disposition. It's a condition of being licensed.

It could also be a Federal law violation to violate state laws regarding the transfer of C&R firearms.

Here is the specific Federal code.

478.58 State or other law.
A license issued under this part confers no right or privilege to conduct business or activity contrary to State or other law. The holder of such a license is not by reason of the rights and privileges granted by that license immune from punishment for operating a firearm or ammunition business or activity in violation of the provisions of any State or other law. Similarly, compliance with the provisions of any State or other law affords no immunity under Federal law or regulations.

[shootsocal_dave]

So you guys are missing the point. What would you do at that point?

[SamGoldstein]

If said person was a Federally licensed collector they would be hard pressed to plead ignorance.

As a licensed collector he is legally expected to know AND follow ALL state laws related to ANY C&R firearm acquisition or disposition. It's a condition of being licensed.

It could also be a Federal law violation to violate state laws regarding the transfer of C&R firearms.

Here is the specific Federal code.

478.58 State or other law.
A license issued under this part confers no right or privilege to conduct business or activity contrary to State or other law. The holder of such a license is not by reason of the rights and privileges granted by that license immune from punishment for operating a firearm or ammunition business or activity in violation of the provisions of any State or other law. Similarly, compliance with the provisions of any State or other law affords no immunity under Federal law or regulations.

Are you a lawyer? Again: Mens Rea. Look it up.

[kcheung2]

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a long, long time.

[shootsocal_dave]

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a long, long time.

Google it. It can be and is used in court of law. Specially in gun laws that are almost unfollowable sometimes.