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  • #16
    Dano3467
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2013
    • 7381

    Is it for rent LOL, thanks jeff

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    • #17
      ArnoldKC
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 692

      Awesome pictures! Thank you for this!

      On a side note: The Germans could have taken the Swiss, but it was not worth the effort, or the casualties. The Swiss were ready for anything though, they even captured some Allied pilots during the war, and warned both sides not to fly over their country.
      "A country rescued by their arms from impending ruin, will never leave unpaid the debt of gratitude."

      -George Washington



      "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."

      -Dwight D. Eisenhower

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      • #18
        Mustang
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2007
        • 5041

        Originally posted by kendog4570
        Cool photos.
        Hitlers' boys didn't have much trouble with the Maginot line in France, and this fortification would not have been much trouble either. Probably some other reason he stayed out of Switzerland.
        The Germans invaded Belgium, Holland, and Luxembourg in order to flank the Maginot line to the north.

        I'm not familiar enough with Swiss geography to know whether the same maneuver was available to them in Switzerland
        ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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        • #19
          ojisan
          Agent 86
          CGN Contributor
          • Apr 2008
          • 11757

          Originally posted by kendog4570
          Probably some other reason he stayed out of Switzerland.
          The old story says that the King of Switzerland told Hitler that if the Germans invaded, that each Swiss citizen would only need to fire two shots for the Germans to be defeated.

          Actually, there was a close relationship between the two countries.
          The Swiss provided banking, gun design and gun manufacturing services for the Nazis:


          The Swiss were all too happy to seize the bank accounts of the Jewish and had many Nazi sympathizers.

          Although they may have been "neutral" during WW2, they certainly were not our friends.

          Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
          I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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          • #20
            kendog4570
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2008
            • 5180

            Originally posted by ojisan
            The old story says that the King of Switzerland told Hitler that if the Germans invaded, that each Swiss citizen would only need to fire two shots for the Germans to be defeated.

            Actually, there was a close relationship between the two countries.
            The Swiss provided banking, gun design and gun manufacturing services for the Nazis:


            The Swiss were all too happy to seize the bank accounts of the Jewish and had many Nazi sympathizers.

            Although they may have been "neutral" during WW2, they certainly were not our friends.
            This is what I was alluding to.

            The Germans would have walked on by any fixed fortifications and starved them out on their schedule.

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            • #21
              Mustang
              Calguns Addict
              • Aug 2007
              • 5041

              Originally posted by kendog4570
              This is what I was alluding to.

              The Germans would have walked on by any fixed fortifications and starved them out on their schedule.
              No question about that...Switzerland was landlocked and surrounded by Germany, Austria, Italy, and both German-occupied and Vichy France. Germany could have squeezed Switzerland dry...if they had a reason to.
              ...a fool and his money were lucky to get together in the first place...

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              • #22
                Bobby Ricigliano
                Mit Gott und Mauser
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2011
                • 17439

                Who knows if the Germans would have taken the logical step to bypass / starve out those Swiss bunkers. Hitler often overrode the sensible recommendations of his generals and issued foolish or nonsensical orders. Who is to say he would not have launched frontal assaults against those Swiss bunkers in a fit of egomaniacal rage or perceived slight of his authority as the warlord of Europa?

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                • #23
                  Sauermonkey
                  Member
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 322

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                  • #24
                    ArnoldKC
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 692

                    "A country rescued by their arms from impending ruin, will never leave unpaid the debt of gratitude."

                    -George Washington



                    "A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."

                    -Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                    • #25
                      Canucky
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 4265

                      Why would the Krauts rob their own bank.

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                      • #26
                        Maximus28
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 513

                        Very cool. Glad to see that it's well preserved.
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                        • #27
                          jarhead714
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 8477

                          Originally posted by kendog4570
                          Cool photos.
                          Hitlers' boys didn't have much trouble with the Maginot line in France, and this fortification would not have been much trouble either. Probably some other reason he stayed out of Switzerland.
                          Those positions on the Maginot Line were flanked by going through a forest. You can't go through a mountain to flank an opponent. Where the Swiss put those bunkers and gun positions is where the real genius lies. They command all the approaches to move about the whole country. The Swiss positions could not be attacked by bombers nor even dive bombers due to the nearby peaks. They had to be assaulted individually and horrendous losses would have been sustained.

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                          • #28
                            Enfield47
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 6385

                            It really would have been a bloody battle that the Germans most likely would have lost or at least suffered horrendous casualties. The Swiss really knew how to defend their country.

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                            • #29
                              Discogodfather
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 5516

                              During the war my mom was living in Mannheim (she was born in 37). The bombings where so bad that my family sent her to live with relatives in Schaffhausen, a Swiss town very close to the border. Many, many German families did this as a way to get their children away from the war and B-17's. Bomber Harris was in full swing and Germany was being leveled.

                              There is such a close tie culturally and linguistically between the southern Germans and the Swiss they where basically completely friendly and supportive. The only animosity from the Swiss side my mom ever encountered during the war was when a bomb dropped just north of Schaffhausen very late int he war. Never could find out why or how that happened, but it was a mistake.
                              Originally posted by doggie
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                              • #30
                                glennsche
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 1831

                                Originally posted by jarhead714
                                The Swiss would have chewed even the best of the Wehrmacht to pieces. Just one of those fortified positions could hold up entire divisions probably for days on end. Great photos!
                                The same was said about the maginot line and the belgian fortress eban emael. And it was true, and the germans knew it. So they either went around or took them w paratroops from above.

                                The swiss wouldve held their own, sure. But we saw what happened to the french w their over reliance on their fortress line. The swiss did the same. Well never know obviously how it wouldve shaken out, and a lot of it seems to do w timing.

                                From what ive read much of it was due to guisans planning. Had the germans invaded across the jura Plains from w to east and bypassed these sorts if forts which faced the northern border and panzer rushed the capital as an extension of the conquest of france in 1940, seems unlikely the swiss would have resisted effectively and wouldve probably folded as quickly as everyone else did in 1940-41 whonfaced the wehrmacht.

                                However after guisan rallied the swiss and they had time to recover from the shock how how quickly theyd become alone and implemented their redoubt strategy, then they became a tougher and tougher nut to crack.

                                But, much like the initial Stages of barbarossa, i think the germans probably couldve pulled it off, and it wasnt a foregone conclusion that the swiss myth as weve come to accept it today wouldve come to pass if jerry had charged early on.

                                In short, jerry had his chance i 1940 when he bagged the rest of western europe, and didnt take it. And after never had the chance again
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