Using a C&R to Deal in Firearms?!!

[finfan]

Previous post have sort of covered all this. I think the ultimate
consensus was "to each his own" as far as interpreting the C&R Regs.
I take a more conservative view of the regs than others & probably
wouldn't engage in some of this subjects activities.
As far as CMP, no they (at least in the past) don't allow sales (for profit or
otherwise) of rifle purchases You make through them. However, there's absolutly no enforcement of this policy to speak of. So again... too each His own!

[CTT2]

Here's a link on the DOJ's website regarding the exemption for 50 years plus...

I need to print this out.
http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.htm#9

The exemption only applies to the 10-waiting period cut down to 0 if the recieving person has a C&R and COE from the CDOJ. This is for C&R handguns. Long guns do not have a waiting period. It doesn't say that you can transfer to an individual who is not licensed. And you still cannot bring in C&R guns that meet California AW definitions.

[CalGunsNoob]

You're mistaken. You're cionfusing firearms that are in a dealers inventory versus those in the hands of a private party.

A C&R and a COE allows you to cash and carry a C&R (either handgun or long gun) from a California dealers inventory. The 50 year rule does not apply here. If it's C&R you're good.

In a private transfer, meaning not in a dealers inventory, a rifle of 50 years or greater can be sold from one person to another with no FFL or C&R.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

The exemption only applies to the 10-waiting period cut down to 0 if the recieving person has a C&R and COE from the CDOJ.

Incorrect. The link that CalGunsNoob posted is to the exemption that says C&R long guns over 50 years old don't have to be transfered through an FFL Dealer. A C&R and/or COE is not needed for this exemption.

This is for C&R handguns. Long guns do not have a waiting period

Incorrect. C&R handguns and long guns both have a 10 day waiting period when you purchase from a California FFL Dealer. Having a C&R FFL and a COE exempts you from the 10 day wait on both C&R handguns and C&R Rifles when purchasing from a California FFL Dealer.

It doesn't say that you can transfer to an individual who is not licensed.

Yes it does. This is what the link CalGunsNoob posted says...

I want to sell a gun to another person, i.e., a private party transfer. Am I required to conduct the transaction through a licensed California firearms dealer?

Yes. Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer... curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

And you still cannot bring in C&R guns that meet California AW definitions.

Correct. You got this one right.

[CTT2]

So what if I wanted to buy a C&R long gun from out of state? Could they just send it to my front door if I have my C&R license but not the COE? Or would it have to go through a FFL?

[Fate]

As far as CMP, no they (at least in the past) don't allow sales (for profit or
otherwise) of rifle purchases You make through them. However, there's absolutly no enforcement of this policy to speak of.

This is untrue. You are not required to keep a CMP rifle for life or forced to never sell it for a profit.

Sure, you have to sign a form that says the rifle ordered is for your own use, but Orest and the CMP honestly don't care if some people buy lots and sell the ones that don't meet their collecting standards. What they care about is selling rifles to support the marksmanship programs of the CMP. That's it. CMP rifles are sent out "luck of the draw," -- you will get some gems and some dogs. So selling some of the ones received isn't too hard to understand.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

So what if I wanted to buy a C&R long gun from out of state? Could they just send it to my front door if I have my C&R license but not the COE? Or would it have to go through a FFL?

Yes, as long as the C&R long gun is at least 50 years old you can have it shipped to your door with just your C&R FFL. The COE is only needed when you buy from a California licensed Dealer and only to avoid the 10 day wait for C&R guns or the "one handgun per month" rule on C&R or modern handguns.

The 50 year old C&R long gun exemption in California law is what allows you order from out of state sellers without violating California law. And your C&R FFL is what allows you to order from out of state sellers without violating Federal law.

[metalhead357]

He had another one one a few weeks ago. He started pretty high and only leaves the post up for a day or so. Reposts every few days. Eventually it got down to $395 I think. It was not as nice as this one though. His presentation turns me off a little.

HOW the heck do you know it was the same guy???????????

I mean I saw the friggin ad; and others like it~ If I'm seeing the same ones all you guys are the e-mail addy is randomized.....are we all talking about a site that starts with C and doesnt like guns?

I was going to actually repond to that ad~ so if you're the one who wrote that- PM ME!!!!!! I had/have some questions!

(and no- its not to do the gunsale.....that should keep Ramon happy since the gun seller section went bye bye)

[snafu510]

pm has been sent.

[chiefcrash]

okay guys, i think the guy gets the point. let's let him off with all his body parts in tact, ok? it's better to error on the side of caution...

[milsurplover]

Wow!

I never expected to get all this info. I learned a lot! I guess my conservative nature - once again - attracted what I expected: "Mind my own business" and "to each his own!" Ok...I'm working on that! :'))

ChiefCrash - thanks for your "level-headedness!" And thanks to everyone else for the constructive feedback! Save for the one who flipped me back off! :')

I think this thread should prolly be closed.

Thanks again Y'all!

[milsurplover]

Oh yea...one more thing - the original impetus for my first post (besides to ascertain my understanding of C&R "dealing" activities:

I'm looking for two Garand's in Service and/or Correct Grade status. The quality of the furniture is not real important. The bore, hard stuff and price is more important to me since I'm assembling a collection for my two sons'.

LMK if you have any product or ideas on how to go about this. I have a C&R and all that cash stuff that everyone likes! :')

Steve S.
East Valley, AZ