Sporterizing milsurp C&R's

[fal_762x51]

That's about enough of that.
Keep things civil and polite or we'll have to give you a 'time out', you'll have to sit in the corner with no FAL's and only a FAB10...

[JPglee1]

Anyone that sporters a C&R is a moron that deserves to be beaten with a garden hose. Either this is a troll/joke thread or you idiots are plain dumb. Want a tactical mall ninja, all weather, fiber glass, ported rifle; buy a Remington or something and leave these rifles alone. This goes to show why the California governement doesn't what people to own firearms, because they do stupid stuff like this.

I are a moron... please flog me appropriately.

If someone owns something and wants to hack it up, that's their right

J

[ivanimal]

Anyone that sporters a C&R is a moron that deserves to be beaten with a garden hose. Either this is a troll/joke thread or you idiots are plain dumb. Want a tactical mall ninja, all weather, fiber glass, ported rifle; buy a Remington or something and leave these rifles alone. This goes to show why the California governement doesn't what people to own firearms, because they do stupid stuff like this.

[glen avon]

Everyone drives a different car.

that's true, and a nice common ground where we can all agree.

for instance, I have an old camaro I want to fix up. it is butt-ugly with a big SYC on the hood and some stupid motor that idles like crap and gets terrible mileage and a stupid stick shift tranny that whines too much. I'm going to slam it on 22s and put in a 305 TBI I have been saving from an 82 vette with a 700R4. class, style AND economy.

I also have a supposably "all original" cobra that some idiot put a 289 in. original my butt. I have a line on a 460 that is a lot closer to the 429 or 427s whatever they originally came with. we blew up the 289 with a brick on the gas pedal and a 12-pack of beer IT WAS GREAT. then I am going to slam it too, put in some air conditioning, and put xenon HID lights on it and some serious sound.

[fal_762x51]

[Kestryll]

Sorry to hear about your car, that sucks!
Did the other person have insurance? Nail their backside to a wall.

No prob, everyone has bad days, it's cool.

[kenc9]

My neighbor had this K98 Mauser he got from his Dad as a kid. At the time it was just a Vet bring back and an old rifle...He sanded the stock and refinished it but didn't like the looks so he through it away and bought a really good one. He had the barrel shortened, drilled it for a scope and some other custom stuff.

Fast forward from 1966 to 2006.

He pulled it out to show me his rifle from when he was a kid. He told me his Dad brought this back from the war. I looked it over and it was only an all matching, low production year and make. He now knows what a dumb thing he had done.
You rarely can even get your money back from what it cost to make the changes.
You are far better off selling the orginal rifle and buy an action, have it barreled, scoped, and stock it.

Can you even imagine taking an all original Cobra and customizing it? Get the 429 back in it

-ken

[tankerman]

I've got at friend that has a similar mindset as that guy that blew out a few arteries this morning, thinks that he knows what guns every person should shoot, and that everything else is garbage, and if you don't take his advice you're a moron. I think i'll go get my hacksaw,files, bench grinder,and wielder out. Heres the plan; bend bolt on straight pull, add trigger safety. grind off sights. drill and tap for some cheap tro-glo something or another, hog the chamber out with a drill bit, make a thumb whole stock with my hole saw, dura coat camo, wait I forgot to shorten the barrel to the legal min. Open up bolt face with dremel. Mount Tasco on see-thru rings And got get some who knows were they came from half empty box gun-show reloads. Right on hunt'n season here I come.
The only guns I have ever "BUBBA'd" were guns that were not in their original configuration. The only exception was one of my K31's that I decided to make a little more hunter friendly.
So much of that stuff that was still around after WWI was rebarreled/chambered all kinds of changes done to them, making many of them crap.

[NeoWeird]

My neighbor had this K98 Mauser he got from his Dad as a kid. At the time it was just a Vet bring back and an old rifle...He sanded the stock and refinished it but didn't like the looks so he through it away and bought a really good one. He had the barrel shortened, drilled it for a scope and some other custom stuff.

Fast forward from 1966 to 2006.

He pulled it out to show me his rifle from when he was a kid. He told me his Dad brought this back from the war. I looked it over and it was only an all matching, low production year and make. He now knows what a dumb thing he had done.
You rarely can even get your money back from what it cost to make the changes.
You are far better off selling the orginal rifle and buy an action, have it barreled, scoped, and stock it.

Can you even imagine taking an all original Cobra and customizing it? Get the 429 back in it

-ken

I'm right on the same page as you.

And I'm sorry, but arguing that taking a "great mauser action" and turning it into a useful tool is dumb in two ways. That's like saying "I had a TV that I didn't quite like, so I repainted the outside and slapped some stickers on it, put a VCR and antenea on top and now it is useful." You didn't some how make it better, you just altered the way it looks and the way you aim it; at BEST you gave it a trigger job. In actuallity you're really saying "I had a Picaso but it just sat on the wall doing nothing, so I cut into lengths and used it for tolietpaper; now it had a useful purpose." Yeah, that may be true to an extent, but you missed a HUGE part of it.

And just so you guys know, most C&Rs could handle their own on their own for several years in mud, rain, snow, rivers, sand, humindity, dirt, sand, etc and still came out shooting in the end; I think they can handle a little moisture as you walk one afternoon hunting deer, and I am sure the deer won't be suprised to see wood in the forest.

Go ahead and flame me a new one, but I thought the board as a whole was in a general agreement about where sporterizing really becomes damaging until I I saw the sanded down Garand and I realized we (the entire topic at hand) were on two totally different levels of agreement. Yes, it's your right to do whatever you want with what is yours, I just hope one day you realize what you do.

And I thought that last post was serious until I got to the chamber reaming with a drill bit and I knew no one could be that idiotic. I near peed in my pants reading that one.

[chickenfried]

I for one did not think this board reached any concensus. The debate on whether mall ninjas or c&r "do not alter" zealots are the silliest members of the gun community, is nowhere near settled.

[NeoWeird]

I for one did not think this board reached any concensus. The debate on whether mall ninjas or c&r "do not alter" zealots are the silliest members of the gun community, is nowhere near settled.

ok, let me rephrase. It SEEMED as if we were at least drawing towards a mutual conclusion as most people were either elaborating on, or expanding on what other people had said. Of course I was gone for like 3 days so maybe I just came back in the wrong place at the wrong time and got derailed.

[elsolo]

that's true, and a nice common ground where we can all agree.

for instance, I have an old camaro I want to fix up. it is butt-ugly with a big SYC on the hood and some stupid motor that idles like crap and gets terrible mileage and a stupid stick shift tranny that whines too much. I'm going to slam it on 22s and put in a 305 TBI I have been saving from an 82 vette with a 700R4. class, style AND economy.

I also have a supposably "all original" cobra that some idiot put a 289 in. original my butt. I have a line on a 460 that is a lot closer to the 429 or 427s whatever they originally came with. we blew up the 289 with a brick on the gas pedal and a 12-pack of beer IT WAS GREAT. then I am going to slam it too, put in some air conditioning, and put xenon HID lights on it and some serious sound.

Because ALL misurps are collectable on the magnatude of a Yenko Camaro or a Shelby Cobra, give me a break. Many milsurp rifles will never have as much collector value as they have intrinsic value as a well built rifle action suitable for turning into a sporting rifle of whatever chambering you desire.

I bet that baseball card you stuck in the spokes of your bicycle as a kid was a Mickey Mantle rookie card too?

There are collectable guns that have been bubba'd up, that's part of the reason why the remainder are worth so much. Keep your's nice and reap the benefits.

[ivanimal]

[lpspinner]

Then how do you feel about u-fix-em's? I have plenty of nice Turks, but a $25.00 special?

[tankerman]

It seems that the difference in opinion may have something do with an individuals relationship to their firearms, i.e. military history buff/collector, hunter/shooters, and last the all around gun nut, likely a combination of the two. I call it a relationship, I am pretty sure that many around here spend more time with their guns than with people. That is the only way to explain the defensive and argumentative nature of many of these discussions. The choice of the words "gun porn" speaks to the creepiness of it all. Bestiality. necrophilia, gun sex? I don't know if there is a scientific word for it yet.