Featureless Rifles Picture Thread

[stag6.8]

Heres my featureless rifle setup...and my glock 19

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Parts: upper
stag arms 1:9 twist upper with M-16 BCG
YHM muzzle brake
magpul carbine handguard
maggpul BUIS
BCM ambi-charging handle
Ontario knife tanto bayonet...with triple r products adapter

Parts: lower
act-tac 80% billet lower receiver
voltor buffer tube, spring and buffer
stag arms LPK with ambi-selector
troy ambi-magazine release
magpul bad lever
arrendondo magwell
arrendondo mag release button
KNS anti-walk pins
thordsen frs-15 buttstock kit with cheek riser

Optics:
aimpoint Ml3 reddot..2 dot moa
aimpoint 3x magnifier
larue QD mounts

Sling:
northeast tactical single point bungee sling

[BigBamBoo]

well it sounds like you have your mind made up about the FRS-15. Myself and a few others have posted that you can indeed operate the safety normally with the FRS-15. I even posted pictures showing that the safety with my thumb located right where it needs to be.

You do not "need" an ambi safety. Yes, it makes life easier to engage the safety to the safe position, but it is not "needed". Again, taking the safety off is just like doing it with a standard pistol grip.

I would suggest you find someone in your area with a FRS-15 and actually try it. EVERYONE who has ACTUALLY shot my FRS-15 say the exact thing. That it is really nor bad and well worth it not to have to run a BB. I know two people who ordered the stock after shooting my carbine.

[Rcjackrabbit]

I am just going by what the people at Thordsen told me. They said most people can not work the safety on and off with their thumb. They told me they advise that users get an ambi safety. So, the cost to upgrade:

$140 FRS-15
$60 Ambi safety

I have multiple rifles. I would consider it if I could run the AR normally. But, since it requires modified operation of the safety, I will just stick with my $40 Solar Tactical and $15 LH safety.

I can also have a shorter LOP.

[tomd1584]

Sold both my Aimpoints. Went back to just irons and loving it!

[BigBamBoo]

The FRS-15 looks like a quality stock. I want to like it. But, I don't.

The problem for me is that the OAL is too long and the issues reaching the safety for people with normal sized hands.

I think Thordsen should release a shorter version with a redesign to make reaching the safety easier. That would increase sales.

Until that happens, I will stick with the Solar Tactical grip wrap.

Have you actually handled a FRS-15 equipped AR? I am thinking no. I do not have overly large hands, and can reach the safety with no problem....as well as the mag release.

And unless your a midget or something, I again say you have not handled one because my 5' 2", 118 lb., girl has no problem shooting my FRS-15 AR and using the safety.

Here are some pics showing my thumb totally covering the safety just to show that pretty much anyone should be able to work the fire controls on a AR with the FRS-15.

[Junkie]

I've tried a couple wraps and really didn't like them. If you're willing to look at Blem FRS-15s they aren't much more money than a Solar wrap and a decent stock.

I can use the safety normally, although I put longer levers on (not all of them yet)

Here are a few featureless guns, left to right:

Noveske lower with RRA NM trigger/LPK, Aero Precision M4E1 upper with 15" keymod rail, Black Hole Weaponry 18" SPR (rifle gassed), Miculek brake, Aero Precision BCG, FRS-15 (blem). Currently has Bushnell 1-4 FFP Throwdown in PEPR mount on it, getting replaced with a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 soon.

AR47: Mag Tactical lower, generic upper, Black Rifle Arms 7.62x39 16" midlength barrel/BCG, VG6 Gamma 300BLK comp, Geissele G2S trigger, ebay keymod rail, FRS-15 (blem) that's likely getting replaced with a pinned stock and Exile Machine Hammerhead (when I figure out where I put a few I bought)

AR74: Mag Tactical upper/lower, Ballistic Advantage 5.45x39 14.5" midlength barrel/BCG, YHM 5M1 comp, Midwest Industries SS12 G2 rail, Geissele SD3G, Hammerhead grip, pinned MFT Minimalist stock

[Rcjackrabbit]

If I can't use the safety normally with the FRS-15, why not just go with a Solar Tactical grip wrap and left handed safety? With the wrap and left handed safety, I use my thumb to work the safety.

Both make you use the rifle in a non-standard way. But, the Solar Tactical wrap is a much less expensive solution. And, in my opinion, better way of working the safety.

I just don't see the point in speeding all the extra money on the FRS-15. I would do it in a second if it let me work my rifle like like it was meant to be operated. But, it doesn't.

[Doctor Suarez]

The FRS-15 looks like a quality stock. I want to like it. But, I don't.

The problem for me is that the OAL is too long and the issues reaching the safety for people with normal sized hands.

I think Thordsen should release a shorter version with a redesign to make reaching the safety easier. That would increase sales.

Until that happens, I will stick with the Solar Tactical grip wrap.

I had this problem with the Hammerhead. The solution was to install an ambi-safety with the larger lever on the right/index finger side. The rest is training. You apply the safety with a finger curl motion, and when the rifle is at low-ready you rest your index finger on the safety and sweep it down as your hand goes to the trigger when shouldering.

[ritter]

The problem for me is that the OAL is too long and the issues reaching the safety for people with normal sized hands.

I have pretty normal sized hands and have no problem disengaging the safety. Reengaging requires a grip shift or ambidextrous switch.

I think Thordsen should release a shorter version with a redesign to make reaching the safety easier.

I'm sure he'd love to but is limited by geometry and ensuring the buffer cover doesn't intersect the stock which would then result in the "thumb hole stock" conundrum.

[Junkie]

Have you tried the plastic buttplate? I guess it came first, but hasn't been shipped by default in a while. I like LOP better with it vs the now-standard rubber one. It's all of $3 so absolutely worth trying.

[Rcjackrabbit]

The FRS-15 looks like a quality stock. I want to like it. But, I don't.

The problem for me is that the OAL is too long and the issues reaching the safety for people with normal sized hands.

I think Thordsen should release a shorter version with a redesign to make reaching the safety easier. That would increase sales.

Until that happens, I will stick with the Solar Tactical grip wrap.

[DaveFJ80]

[ritter]

Thanks, everyone. Planning a build now.

Considering the lack of need for "tacticool" room clearing or need for true long range ability, do you recommend an 18" bbl with rifle gas system or 16" bbl with mid gas system?

I don't want it to be un-balanced and I don't know the weight distribution with the TC Stock. I'm used to non-AR platforms that utilize piston systems and are relatively nose heavy.

Thanks

Can't really advise you on this other that to say the FRS-15 requires a carbine-length recoil buffer and tube which may be a consideration on a rifle-length system. Others with far more knowledge than I can weigh in. Just something to consider. I've got a 16" mid but haven't had the opportunity to shoot it yet, so am still a little nervous about function.

[code_blue]

Thanks, everyone. Planning a build now.

Considering the lack of need for "tacticool" room clearing or need for true long range ability, do you recommend an 18" bbl with rifle gas system or 16" bbl with mid gas system?

I don't want it to be un-balanced and I don't know the weight distribution with the TC Stock. I'm used to non-AR platforms that utilize piston systems and are relatively nose heavy.

Thanks

[Thordo]

This.

I love the FRS-15. Not a fan of pistol grips. Old school or just don't know any better, I suppose.

Pretty much all of the featureless solutions need an ambi safety to retain maximum functionality.

Thordo