Featureless Rifles Picture Thread

[ritter]

TFor less than 1/4th the cost of an SCR yet retaining better ergonomics and all the normal features of an AR, there is no reason to buy an Ares SCR.

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The nice thing about the SCR is that it is, without a doubt, featureless. I'm quite certain that the FRS-15 would pass the featureless test in court eventually, but... And the FRS-15 is not really 1/4 the cost considering the SCR lower includes the lower, lower parts kit, buffer system and carrier. Just food for thought.

[stphnman20]

I have a shooting buddy that owns the SCR and it would not function with steel case or Freedom munitions brass reloads. We had to use new PMC brass which is a deal breaking in my book. Secondly, take down sucks. It's a pita to line up the rat tail into the tiny buffer hole. Thirdly, there is no bolt hold open. Fourth, the trigger is terrible, his pulled at 8 pounds and it is proprietary. The magazine release also can't be reached by your shooting finger which makes mag changes harder. The safety is the crossbolt style which makes it difficult if you are a lefty. The stock feels flimsy and you need to do a bit of filing for other stocks to fit. Lastly the pencil barrel heats up very quickly but if someone wants just the lower that's not an issue. Overall it is not worth it especially when my thordsen stock AR-15 has none of the above issues and the featureless mod cost only $100.

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[Sikvenum93]

The nice thing about the SCR is that it is, without a doubt, featureless. I'm quite certain that the FRS-15 would pass the featureless test in court eventually, but... And the FRS-15 is not really 1/4 the cost considering the SCR lower includes the lower, lower parts kit, buffer system and carrier. Just food for thought.

The FRS is also without a doubt featureless. It has an identical grip angle to the scr and the stock is part of the grip like the scr.

The FRS is not even 1/4th of the cost because it needs no special components unlike the SCR. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy that a company has produced a rifle for use in gun restrictive states. But the price and the current design just don't make it my cup of tea right now.

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[s30]

This is literal opinion. Everything I've said about the SCR is fact. At the time I fired the SCR(over a year ago), it literally did not have a good trigger, or a LBHO(still doesn't come with one), or an ergonomically placed mag release(still is too far even with an extended mag catch). So the SCR got updated. The gun is $800+ and doesn't come with some very basic features my $500 AR comes with. My S&W M&P15 also runs steel and freedom munitions reloads all day without any kind of jam or modifications. The SCR is not a match grade/premium weapon. People should not have to spend more money on rather expensive ammo for it to work.

Most people don't like the monsterman or grip wraps because you can't wrap your thumb around the grip. The Thordsen, U-15 and Hammerhead grips are the only featureless grips that allow a normal handgrip. Of these 3 the thordsen feels and looks the most natural. For less than 1/4th the cost of an SCR yet retaining better ergonomics and all the normal features of an AR, there is no reason to buy an Ares SCR.

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It is an opinion, and I stand by it. Its hideous.

Everything you've listed about the SCR is based on you being a low informed shooter. I absolutely do not know everything about every firearm in the world, but when the rare chance occurs that I have a bad experience with one, its not assumed that they are all junk and I dont paint the whole platform with a broad brush like you have done. The factual information is out there, either you'll search it out and gain some knowledge or you wont. Its not my job to spoon feed you. Regarding the comparison to a small production 50 state legal rifle to a mass produced big name company AR pattern rifle is absurd, its apples to oranges. The SCR isnt marketed as an AR or to even compete against it, your point is moot.

Originally you stated that the SCRs were not reliable, I asked for you to cite the information pertaining to this claim. I was expecting some articles on jamming the action/rat tail or premature spring failures in the stock. You know, something substantial? No, you responded with one interaction you had over a year ago to issues that where completely avoidable, like reading the owners manual or having basic understanding of how steel casings are considerably harder on an AR action. Lower end and even mid end AR rifles have all had issues with steel cases. This is widely known issue, some companies upgrade the components at the factory to allow the rifles to fire steel cased ammo more reliably, others dont. So its the manufactures fault that the filthy steel commie ammo in your gun, that it wasn't even designed for wont cycle? Yeah, ok buddy.

There are plenty of reasons to own a SCR, saying that there isnt makes you look uninformed. I might not like the Thordsen stock, but I have never said there was no reason for anybody to own one. I certainly never spread misinformation about one, like you have with the SCR. I support any configured legally owned rifle in the State of California, no matter how ridiculous it is, maybe you should too.

[Sikvenum93]

It is an opinion, and I stand by it. Its hideous.

Everything you've listed about the SCR is based on you being a low informed shooter. I absolutely do not know everything about every firearm in the world, but when the rare chance occurs that I have a bad experience with one, its not assumed that they are all junk and I dont paint the whole platform with a broad brush like you have done. The factual information is out there, either you'll search it out and gain some knowledge or you wont. Its not my job to spoon feed you. Regarding the comparison to a small production 50 state legal rifle to a mass produced big name company AR pattern rifle is absurd, its apples to oranges. The SCR isnt marketed as an AR or to even compete against it, your point is moot.

Originally you stated that the SCRs were not reliable, I asked for you to cite the information pertaining to this claim. I was expecting some articles on jamming the action/rat tail or premature spring failures in the stock. You know, something substantial? No, you responded with one interaction you had over a year ago to issues that where completely avoidable, like reading the owners manual or having basic understanding of how steel casings are considerably harder on an AR action. Lower end and even mid end AR rifles have all had issues with steel cases. This is widely known issue, some companies upgrade the components at the factory to allow the rifles to fire steel cased ammo more reliably, others dont. So its the manufactures fault that the filthy steel commie ammo in your gun, that it wasn't even designed for wont cycle? Yeah, ok buddy.

There are plenty of reasons to own a SCR, saying that there isnt makes you look uninformed. I might not like the Thordsen stock, but I have never said there was no reason for anybody to own one. I certainly never spread misinformation about one, like you have with the SCR. I support any configured legally owned rifle in the State of California, no matter how ridiculous it is, maybe you should too.

OK so you have a different opinion than mine. Big whoop. Everything I said about the SCR is true. In order for it to be misinformation it would have to be false but it's true. Are you seriously going to pretend that the SCR still doesn't come with some very basic features that every standard AR has? The proprietary trigger, the inability to reach the mag release, the need to buy an LBHO and the fact that other stocks need to be filed are completely valid criticisms of the SCR. You are starting to sound irrational. Just because you think the Thordsen does not look good does not mean the SCR is suddenly great and worth the buy.

Every AR I have fired will run steel case just fine. Some of us don't have money to buy brand new PMC or Winchester in bulk. So unless you are going to pay for my ammo, the inability the run brass reloads and steel case is another major issue.

I already said I appreciate that Ares made a gun for gun restricted states. That does not mean I have to or even want to buy one when other substantially cheaper options that do not have proprietary parts exist.

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[ritter]

The FRS is also without a doubt featureless. It has an identical grip angle to the scr and the stock is part of the grip like the scr.

The FRS is not even 1/4th of the cost because it needs no special components unlike the SCR. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy that a company has produced a rifle for use in gun restrictive states. But the price and the current design just don't make it my cup of tea right now.

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Variety is good!

I agree with your interpretation of the FRS with regard to it being a stock. I'm just not as certain that Mr. Ranger will agree. I'd rather not need to go through the hassle, so reserve use of my FRS-equipped rifles for private land.

[MarkL]

My happy fun-sticks:
20" PSA Upper


RAS47 (yea, yea)


Saiga 5.45 (happy I didn't convert it)

[s30]

OK so you have a different opinion than mine. Big whoop. Everything I said about the SCR is true. In order for it to be misinformation it would have to be false but it's true. Are you seriously going to pretend that the SCR still doesn't come with some very basic features that every standard AR has? The proprietary trigger, the inability to reach the mag release, the need to buy an LBHO and the fact that other stocks need to be filed are completely valid criticisms of the SCR. You are starting to sound irrational. Just because you think the Thordsen does not look good does not mean the SCR is suddenly great and worth the buy.

Every AR I have fired will run steel case just fine. Some of us don't have money to buy brand new PMC or Winchester in bulk. So unless you are going to pay for my ammo, the inability the run brass reloads and steel case is another major issue.

I already said I appreciate that Ares made a gun for gun restricted states. That does not mean I have to or even want to buy one when other substantially cheaper options that do not have proprietary parts exist.

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If providing facts is irrational to you, well.. that's just your opinion, man.

Everything you said about the SCR isnt true. Its not marketed as an AR, nor does it claim to have all the same features. If you want a LBHO, you can buy one and install it. Its extremely easy. The only thing the two firearms have in common is the mag release, hammer spring and take down pins. Why to insist on comparing a completely different lower to another is beyond me.

The criticism of a trigger that is no longer in production and that is offered to be upgraded free of charge to existing owners is completely not valid. It's a strawman and your spreading misinformation. Complaining that the SCR has a proprietary trigger is the equivalent to saying your mad that the AR trigger doesn't fit in the AK, it makes you look obtuse. The two complaints about mag release and LHBO have some merits. They can be easily addressed, Ive told you this before and either you don't care or you can't grasp the concept. No one as reported a stock failure, this is factual information and not based on your feels. If you can't operate a hand file to modify a piece of wood, I see why you love the AR/Lego platform so much. The other issued you raise would be corrected with reading the manual and familiarization with the rifle, blaming your weapon manipulation deficiencies on a manufacturer is not a valid complaint.

While your limited experience with steel case ammunition in AR platforms has been positive, other peoples hasn't. In fact this might blow your mind, some companies sell kits like this to address the extraction problem while shooting steel case ammo. If you can't afford $12, you certainly cant afford a two boxes of PMC or three boxes of Tula in your case. You suggested that a complete line of fire arms are unreliable that you've shot once and do not even own. It's apparent facts are absolutely irrelevant to you, so Im going to bow out of this one. I hope that people reading this that maybe interested in the SCR will do their own homework and come to a separate conclusion than yours. Good luck in life and stay golden, pony boy. Im out!

Oh, one last thing. Throsden's make baby Jesus cry.

[Sikvenum93]

If providing facts is irrational to you, well.. that's just your opinion, man.

Everything you said about the SCR isnt true. Its not marketed as an AR, nor does it claim to have all the same features. If you want a LBHO, you can buy one and install it. Its extremely easy. The only thing the two firearms have in common is the mag release, hammer spring and take down pins. Why to insist on comparing a completely different lower to another is beyond me.

The criticism of a trigger that is no longer in production and that is offered to be upgraded free of charge to existing owners is completely not valid. It's a strawman and your spreading misinformation. Complaining that the SCR has a proprietary trigger is the equivalent to saying your mad that the AR trigger doesn't fit in the AK, it makes you look obtuse. The two complaints about mag release and LHBO have some merits. They can be easily addressed, Ive told you this before and either you don't care or you can't grasp the concept. No one as reported a stock failure, this is factual information and not based on your feels. If you can't operate a hand file to modify a piece of wood, I see why you love the AR/Lego platform so much. The other issued you raise would be corrected with reading the manual and familiarization with the rifle, blaming your weapon manipulation deficiencies on a manufacturer is not a valid complaint.

While your limited experience with steel case ammunition in AR platforms has been positive, other peoples hasn't. In fact this might blow your mind, some companies sell kits like this to address the extraction problem while shooting steel case ammo. If you can't afford $12, you certainly cant afford a two boxes of PMC or three boxes of Tula in your case. You suggested that a complete line of fire arms are unreliable that you've shot once and do not even own. It's apparent facts are absolutely irrelevant to you, so Im going to bow out of this one. I hope that people reading this that maybe interested in the SCR will do their own homework and come to a separate conclusion than yours. Good luck in life and stay golden, pony boy. Im out!

Oh, one last thing. Throsden's make baby Jesus cry.

You haven't provided any facts besides I think Thordsen stock are ugly. Saying the SCR isn't marketed as an AR is a bold faced lie considering they specifically marketed it as an AR substitute in gun restricted states and they make it a point to say that any AR upper will fit on the lower.

Every single thing I've said about the SCR is true. Some of it has been remedied but they rest is not. The gun itself is over $800. For that price it should come with the same features my $500 AR comes with. I'm not sure if you work for Ares or not but the SCR is a terrible value gun. Thordsen is way better than the crap you are peddling considering I'm not stuck with a bunch of proprietary parts.

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[s30]

Thinking Thordsen's are ugly is an opinion, not fact. Seeing how you have a difficult time differentiating those two, explains a lot in your train of thought.
Everything you've said about the SCR is incorrect. Suggesting that I am employed by ARES and peddling a product is also incorrect. Feel free to PM me an apology, if you have the integrity.

But we both know you wont.

[Sikvenum93]

Thinking Thordsen's are ugly is an opinion, not fact. Seeing how you have a difficult time differentiating those two, explains a lot in your train of thought.
Everything you've said about the SCR is incorrect. Suggesting that I am employed by ARES and peddling a product is also incorrect. Feel free to PM me an apology, if you have the integrity.

But we both know you wont.

You just admitted the lower includes proprietary parts.... You also admitted the gun does not come with an LBHO. Saying you can just buy one when every other AR comes with one is ridiculous. The trigger is also proprietary. What if I want a 2 stage trigger? What if I want to install my $250 Geisselle trigger? I cannot do that with the SCR.

If you are so sensitive you need an apology because I rightly pointed out your rifle is not the most amazing rifle in the world, then you need to suck it up buttercup. The truth can hurt.

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[Exdc]

Featureless Rifles Picture Thread

My happy fun-sticks:

20" PSA Upper





RAS47 (yea, yea)





Saiga 5.45 (happy I didn't convert it)

Thanks for posting *pictures* on the FEATURELESS RIFLE PICTURE THREAD. *cough*

I love the color of the furniture in your saiga.

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Seriously though, to the other few of you who aren't posting pictures, you started a flame war... Please take it somewhere else.


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[dummykid]

I am in the process to build a featureless AR15. I went to local gun store today, and I was told I needed to have pinned flash break to make it featureless and this was signed into bill on last Friday. could anyone confirm this?

[Sikvenum93]

I am in the process to build a featureless AR15. I went to local gun store today, and I was told I needed to have pinned flash break to make it featureless and this was signed into bill on last Friday. could anyone confirm this?

That's false. You only need to change the FH to a muzzle brake, comp or thread cover. Doesn't need to be pinned.

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[dyson]

only needs to be pinned if you have a 14.5" barrel