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  • missiontrails
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2008
    • 7850

    AK74 problems.......

    I just sent a seemingly nice AK74 back to the manufacturer for the second time in 2 months. It's a almost $900 rifle, so maybe my expectations were high. I don't want to name the manufacturer, because they are being responsive to far. I have a few, so reading my past posts won't reveal which one it is, and I install the same accessories on all of them.

    Received gun, noticed a slightly canted front sight right away, but didn't worry too much because I figured that I would just zero it by drifting the front post.

    Cleaned rifle.

    Bought a brick of Red Army Standard 69gr non-corrosive.

    Went to the indoor range to zero the gun at 50 yards. Even after drifting front post all the way left, the POI was still about 2" left of POA. Then, after the rifle was warm, I had 2 casings get stuck, this was after about 25 rounds. The first time the bolt was locked shut on the fired case, and I had to slam the charging handle against the edge of the wood bench to free the action. Then, had to push the cleaning rod into the barrel and hit the inserted rod against the floor a few times to get the case out. Two shots later, another stuck case, this time the action cycled and attempted to load a new round on top of the stuck case. Again, had to use the cleaning rod to POUND the case out.

    Sent the rifle back to the manufacturer to have the canted sight addressed, and also mentioned that I had cases getting stuck.

    Rifle came back, and the manufacturer clocked the front sight housing about 2-3 degrees left, looked straight to the eye now, and the work was done nicely. They also sent a note that they ran 30 rounds through it "flawlessly."

    Went back to the range to zero it again. Now, the front sight still had to be drifted left, "almost" all the way, but it was zeroed. Only fired 19 rounds, and the last case got stuck just like on the last trip there. The action attempted to load a new round on top of the stuck case, and again I had to pound out the stuck one with a few hard smacks.

    Cleaned rifle and chamber.

    Installed a Damage industries modular front rail/gas tube rail, so that I could use a VG, and maybe mount a micro dot on top of the rail. The rear sight base/front trunion is canted slightly right, so that entire rail assembly mounted with a 2 degree cant to the right. So my VG is slightly off center, and my red dot is leaning slightly right.

    Went to the desert to blast away. Mounted my red dot on a Arsenal SM-13 side mount/top rail and started taking shots from the table at about 75 yards to zero it. I zero'ed it, but the tightest group that I could get from that barrel was about 6" at about 75 yards. I thought that sucked. It's a "US" barrel BTW. Then, after about 30 rounds total, when the gun was hot, 3 stuck cases back to back to back. Broke the eyelet end of my cleaning rod pounding the third case out against a rock. After that I put the thing away.

    There has NEVER been a broken case neck in the chamber.

    Sent the rifle back to the manufacturer again. Waiting to hear back.

    So, I would like to hear opinions. It seems like the chamber may not be sized correctly like a true "comblock" chamber. I'm thinking that as the gun gets hot, the steel in the chamber is expanding and gripping the lacquer coated cases??
    Last edited by missiontrails; 01-11-2015, 3:24 PM.
  • #2
    ENTHUSIAST
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 4440

    Is this an IO gun?

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    • #3
      dtrump
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 2214

      I dont think its necessarily a bad thing to name manufacture. How many threads have we seen that say problem with my (indert manufacture and model here) them being responsive and fixing it is the right thing to do. You can still name them, every company has bad ones fall through the cracks some times, if anything it shows good customer service on their part. It would be different if you were totally bashing them without giving them an opportunity to make it right.

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      • #4
        missiontrails
        Calguns Addict
        • Nov 2008
        • 7850

        Originally posted by ENTHUSIAST
        Is this an IO gun?
        lol, oh HELL noooo. This one is considered to be one of the "good" brands/builders.

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        • #5
          missiontrails
          Calguns Addict
          • Nov 2008
          • 7850

          Originally posted by dtrump
          I dont think its necessarily a bad thing to name manufacture. How many threads have we seen that say problem with my (indert manufacture and model here) them being responsive and fixing it is the right thing to do. You can still name them, every company has bad ones fall through the cracks some times, if anything it shows good customer service on their part. It would be different if you were totally bashing them without giving them an opportunity to make it right.
          Ya, I hear ya. I would just rather get some opinions... They said that this time they would replace it if necessary (great, I have to get one of the new firearms safety cards). I'm just wondering if they are test firing with non-lacquer coated ammo. I'm hoping that they don't send it back and say "it worked flawlessly with our ammo." Real functioning AK's should not be ammo picky.

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          • #6
            kalieracer
            Veteran Member
            • May 2008
            • 2987

            There could be a couple issues here. Also have you tried running some milspec ammo just to check .

            Accuracy Issue

            1. The US barrel could be out of spec and not concentric to the bore or a bad crown
            2. Check your brake to see if it's loose , if you have your cleaning rod in the gun the brake should be snug against it. Also make sure it's not loose on the threads of the fsb.

            When you take off the brake does the barrel look like this?



            Stuck rounds in the chamber

            1. Is there a ton slop from left to right in the receiver when the carrier is all the way forward?

            2. The chamber might be rough , do you have a picture of the extracted rounds for us to look at. Had an issue with a US barrel from AK builder.

            did the cases look like this?

            Last edited by kalieracer; 01-11-2015, 3:46 PM.

            "Gawd, asks a qustion, gets two good answers, denies/ still doesn't get it.

            This is the kinda person that shouldn't be building things- go store bought.
            Bill Wiese"

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            • #7
              ENTHUSIAST
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 4440

              Originally posted by missiontrails
              lol, oh HELL noooo. This one is considered to be one of the "good" brands/builders.
              Okay no need to name them brand just had to ask to make sure.

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              • #8
                missiontrails
                Calguns Addict
                • Nov 2008
                • 7850

                Originally posted by kalieracer
                There could be a couple issues here. Also have you tried running some milspec ammo just to check .

                Accuracy Issue

                1. The US barrel could be out of spec and not concentric to the bore or a bad crown
                2. Check your brake to see if it's loose , if you have your cleaning rod in the gun the brake should be snug against it.

                Stuck rounds in the chamber

                1. Is there a ton slop from left to right in the receiver when the carrier is all the way forward?

                2. The chamber might be rough , do you have a picture of the extracted rounds for us to look at. Had an issue with a US barrel from AK builder.
                There was no slop to speak of when the carrier is forward. Also, when the chamber is cool and clean, I can insert a round by hand all the way, point the gun up towards the sky, tap the gun lightly... and the round will fall out nicely.

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                • #9
                  BLK RFL DIV
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 691

                  I assume you've done a google search on your manufacturer and their 5.45 builds to see if anyone else has experienced similar failures? Is the barrel chrome lined?

                  Well, that really does suck to hear, OP. When the manufacturer fails to respond or work with you, then go ahead and out them if you feel the need, but the relevant info is that it is a US barrel, though there easily could be other contributing factors, and we all know not all manufacturers have the same QC.

                  My groups with irons at 100yds with 7N6 are horrible, easily a 6" spread, while Hornady will be far superior yet 4" to the left and high. I have not tried Red Army in 5.45 but I have used the Red Army 7.62x39 and it is far more accurate than Wolf & Tula. I should actually get some and do a comparison test. I have never had a stuck case or any malfunctions with my SGL 31 and my belief is the same as yours, all ammo should feed, shoot, extract reliably. I don't know what my round count is but it is under 5,000 still. Lacquer or non lacquer.

                  There's really nothing I can add except to see what your manufacturer says.

                  Click on this link to visit the BLK RFL DIV online store. BRD is a 2A dedicated clothing brand.


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                  • #10
                    kalieracer
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 2987

                    new fresh round and a used cartridge are not the same size. once fired it expands. You also didn't answer my question about the bore or brake.

                    Originally posted by missiontrails
                    There was no slop to speak of when the carrier is forward. Also, when the chamber is cool and clean, I can insert a round by hand all the way, point the gun up towards the sky, tap the gun lightly... and the round will fall out nicely.
                    Last edited by kalieracer; 01-11-2015, 3:59 PM.

                    "Gawd, asks a qustion, gets two good answers, denies/ still doesn't get it.

                    This is the kinda person that shouldn't be building things- go store bought.
                    Bill Wiese"

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                    • #11
                      kalieracer
                      Veteran Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 2987

                      GT and Sliver bear are the best out there. As for 7n6 results may very , all depends on how it was stored and then how it was stored here and where. Ammo stored in hot areas degrades faster and will have more variation. Plus lots of the 7n6 people are shooting is from the later 70s to early 80's

                      Originally posted by BLK RFL DIV
                      I assume you've done a google search on your manufacturer and their 5.45 builds to see if anyone else has experienced similar failures? Is the barrel chrome lined?

                      Well, that really does suck to hear, OP. When the manufacturer fails to respond or work with you, then go ahead and out them if you feel the need, but the relevant info is that it is a US barrel, though there easily could be other contributing factors, and we all know not all manufacturers have the same QC.

                      My groups with irons at 100yds with 7N6 are horrible, easily a 6" spread, while Hornady will be far superior yet 4" to the left and high. I have not tried Red Army in 5.45 but I have used the Red Army 7.62x39 and it is far more accurate than Wolf & Tula. I should actually get some and do a comparison test. I have never had a stuck case or any malfunctions with my SGL 31 and my belief is the same as yours, all ammo should feed, shoot, extract reliably. I don't know what my round count is but it is under 5,000 still. Lacquer or non lacquer.

                      There's really nothing I can add except to see what your manufacturer says.
                      Last edited by kalieracer; 01-11-2015, 4:00 PM.

                      "Gawd, asks a qustion, gets two good answers, denies/ still doesn't get it.

                      This is the kinda person that shouldn't be building things- go store bought.
                      Bill Wiese"

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                      • #12
                        BigPimping
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 21461

                        Out the manufacturer!!!!! Save the rest of us from a major headache.
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                        • #13
                          missiontrails
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 7850

                          Originally posted by kalieracer
                          There could be a couple issues here. Also have you tried running some milspec ammo just to check .

                          Accuracy Issue

                          1. The US barrel could be out of spec and not concentric to the bore or a bad crown
                          2. Check your brake to see if it's loose , if you have your cleaning rod in the gun the brake should be snug against it. Also make sure it's not loose on the threads of the fsb.

                          When you take off the brake does the barrel look like this?



                          Stuck rounds in the chamber

                          1. Is there a ton slop from left to right in the receiver when the carrier is all the way forward?

                          2. The chamber might be rough , do you have a picture of the extracted rounds for us to look at. Had an issue with a US barrel from AK builder.

                          did the cases look like this?

                          My barrel definitely doesn't look like that. I wish that I would have saved a few cases to look at them.

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                          • #14
                            missiontrails
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 7850

                            Originally posted by BLK RFL DIV
                            I assume you've done a google search on your manufacturer and their 5.45 builds to see if anyone else has experienced similar failures? Is the barrel chrome lined?

                            Well, that really does suck to hear, OP. When the manufacturer fails to respond or work with you, then go ahead and out them if you feel the need, but the relevant info is that it is a US barrel, though there easily could be other contributing factors, and we all know not all manufacturers have the same QC.

                            My groups with irons at 100yds with 7N6 are horrible, easily a 6" spread, while Hornady will be far superior yet 4" to the left and high. I have not tried Red Army in 5.45 but I have used the Red Army 7.62x39 and it is far more accurate than Wolf & Tula. I should actually get some and do a comparison test. I have never had a stuck case or any malfunctions with my SGL 31 and my belief is the same as yours, all ammo should feed, shoot, extract reliably. I don't know what my round count is but it is under 5,000 still. Lacquer or non lacquer.

                            There's really nothing I can add except to see what your manufacturer says.
                            I googled trying to dig up dirt in other forums, but didn't find any for stuck cases and for this manufacturer.

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                            • #15
                              BLK RFL DIV
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2014
                              • 691

                              Originally posted by kalieracer
                              GT and Sliver bear are the best out there. As for 7n6 results may very , all depends on how it was stored and then how it was stored here and where. Ammo stored in hot areas degrades faster and will have more variation. Plus lots of the 7n6 people are shooting is from the later 70s to early 80's
                              Yep, all my 7N6 is from those decades, who knows where it's been and the storage conditions.

                              I do need to try some GT and Red Army.

                              BTW, the barrel pic you posted, any additional info on that, barrel manufacturer and builder? That's just... wow.

                              Click on this link to visit the BLK RFL DIV online store. BRD is a 2A dedicated clothing brand.


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