Check out the ultimate battle rifle

[ricknadine1111]

http://images.military.com/NL_WK/1,14845,6256,00.html

[PatriotnMore]

Whats up with the chubby guy, even his shooting stance looks bad?

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=172738&ESRC=dod.nl

[savasyn]

Thanks for the link, there were some interesting stories on that page. I used to love the G11 when I was a kid. Don't know why, it just seemed cool.

[gunshack]

Any article about the FAL will inevitably fail to mention the main reason the M14 was chosen by the US. The FAL was designed as a 300 to 600 yard infantry weapon, the M14 as a 400 to 800 yard infantry weapon. The M14 has also seen action as a 1000 yard DMR rifle and has had confirmed kills further than that.

Give an armorer a FAL to set up as a 1000 yard DMR rifle and he'll shoot himself with it out of frustration.

I love the FAL, but really, ultimate battle rifle? Ok, I'll agree, if you can't afford an M14.

[Cypriss32]

Any article about the FAL will inevitably fail to mention the main reason the M14 was chosen by the US. The FAL was designed as a 300 to 600 yard infantry weapon, the M14 as a 400 to 800 yard infantry weapon. The M14 has also seen action as a 1000 yard DMR rifle and has had confirmed kills further than that.

Give an armorer a FAL to set up as a 1000 yard DMR rifle and he'll shoot himself with it out of frustration.

I love the FAL, but really, ultimate battle rifle? Ok, I'll agree, if you can't afford an M14.

LOL ive owned 3 M1as, 1 standered, one Loaded, and one work over scout I jsut picked up. Id take a FAL any day over a M1A as a battle rifle....

[gunshack]

If the only M14 clone you've experienced is a sproingfeld armory M1A then you don't know what your missing.

In that case I don't blame you for picking the FAL.

[50 Freak]

I've owned a M-14 before (no not a M1A) and if STHF I'd pick up the FAL in a heartbeat.

P.S. got rid of the M-14...I now own multiple FALS.

And lets get this straight...The M-14s were adopted as the MBR only in the US, the FALs were adopted as MBR's by pretty much all the other countries out there.

But lets just keep saying the M-14s are a better rifle because we chose them.

[50 Freak]

[bobfried]

M-14 is the rifle everyone loves to love.

Once you get drag through a few hell hole you'll gravitate towards the FAL real quick. I will say that I think the M-14 is a superior rifle, but when we're talking about survivability and all out toughness necessary in a MBR the FAL just about trounces an M-14.

The litmus test here is very simple: How long was the M-14 in used as a Main Battle rifle? How long was the FAL been in use as a Main Battle Rifle?

We can argue this and that, but in the end, the FAL outlived the M-14 by decades, if that doesn't prove it's better than it at least proves that the US chose the WRONG weapon to adopt.

[bobfried]

M-14 is the rifle everyone loves to love.

Once you get drag through a few hell hole you'll gravitate towards the FAL real quick. I will say that I think the M-14 is a superior rifle, but when we're talking about survivability and all out toughness necessary in a MBR the FAL just about trounces an M-14.

The litmus test here is very simple: How long was the M-14 in used as a Main Battle rifle? How long was the FAL been in use as a Main Battle Rifle?

We can argue this and that, but in the end, the FAL outlived the M-14 by decades, if that doesn't prove it's better than it at least proves that the US chose the WRONG weapon to adopt.

[ricknadine1111]

I love mine-

[xibunkrlilkidsx]

See this hole argument is not helping my desire to build a .308 battle rifle. FN Fal, Hk91 and ar 10 are all making me extremely angry trying to decide.


Fal deffinently has the win in the service length catagory. But at the same time M14 is making a comeback in the sniper platform. Wrong choice at the time, not sure about that. That time everyone was weary of the "space age materials" They didnt know any better, and had good reason to worry look at the issues of the M16 when it first saw service.

In the end it is all a bias opinion.

[DedEye]

I love mine-

Hahaha, I was expecting this to be the first post .

[yellowfin]

If the M14 had come out the first time around shortened and lightened as is the modern configuration, it would have stuck around a lot longer. Exactly why they didn't think of that up front I have no idea.

[bobfried]

I love mine-

Here's mine:



They're great rifles no doubt.

But here's the competition:



I've put thousands of rounds through each one, they both have they're plus and minuses. The thing is, if I was throwing one out of the back of a plane I don't expect my M1A to survive, yours would just about come apart too. I'll bet a few beers my Para-FAL actually would survive.

This is all about combat effectiveness and being bullet proof. The FAL is light years ahead of the M1A when it comes to ergonomics, the basic controls make sense and is easy to use. The M-14 is great, but so was the Garand. Once you start doing modern drills both show it's age but the M-14 is a grandfather where the FAL would only be an older uncle.

..........But at the same time M14 is making a comeback in the sniper platform............

They're NOT. They are only DMR's and not good ones at that. The reports coming out of the big Army and Marines are pretty sad. They just happened to be the only semi-automatic (converted from FA) rifles that used an intermediate rifle round that the military uses for support level machine guns. The military is currently trying to replace them as fast as they can with the new SASS(MK11 for the Marines), this is due very much to the fact that these M-14's do not do well in this role. To keep an M14 sub-MOA you have to do a few tricks that few can actually do. Not to mention that it needs to be re-bed every few hundred rounds to stay MOA, whereas almost any quality AR style rifle made in the past few years will be sub-MOA out of the box and stay sub-MOA for far far longer. I've owned a few M1A's now and everyone that have been through a few will agree with me that it takes alot of skill and money to make an M1A/M14 shoot well. I would go so far as say that an FAL and M14 are equally ill suited for anything but MBR's.

And as an MBR the FAL wins in my book. Ignore the "it's more accurate" argument, if that's the case we'd all be shooting a Mauser based bolt action rifle. The FAL is cheaper, more robust, more ergonomic, easier to use, easier to build, easier to maintain and much easier to configure in various models. This is coming from an M-14 fan, I like the M-14 more, but as an MBR the FAL win.

If you truly wanted an M14 developed as a long range weapon this is what the Estonians did with the M14 that Bill Clinton graciously donated to them: