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[mikenewgun87]

Nice...but what happens when you move out of CA and get the cool toys like supressors?

[pistolero805]

Nice...but what happens when you move out of CA and get the cool toys like supressors?

I'm sure switching out muzzle devices is going to be the least of your worries. Figuring out where you're going to get all the money to outfit every firearm you own with a suppressor and applying for sbr's will take precedence over switching out a muzzle brake

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[eviioiive]

Do a 30 round mag dump as fast as you can looking thru a ret dot and you'll quickly notice a ar15 does in fact have muzzle rise. A good muzzle break will keep all those shots within a 4 inch target at 50 yards

shoulder it properly and it doesnt.

due to the design, if you shoulder it properly, everything is in a straight line. recoil is straight back. its been covered many times before. The muzzle rise is from putting the toe of the stock on your shoulder instead of the heel.

Ive tested this more than once with FA.

[eviioiive]

ar-15-muzzle-device-comparison/

"Downward Forces

If we think of limiting rearward forces as recoil reduction, then limiting upward forces must be called “combating muzzle rise,” right? Wrong.

Consider yourself shooting a rifle with a bare muzzle from the standing position. In scientific terms, the rifle is an arm with forces being placed upon it at the very end – the muzzle. The gases exiting the muzzle do so in a very uniform manner, with essentially no variation from side to side and top to bottom. They do not inherently cause the muzzle to move up – if the rifle were to be suspended in the air, it would move straight back.

But it’s not suspended in the air, it’s connected to your body. It has to move in some direction, because an external force has acted upon it and it is no longer “at rest.” Because your body is connected to this arm, and the rifle is long and essentially pointed at (in physics terms, not weapon terms) your body, the arm will move mostly to the rear. However, because there is much more of your body below the point where the stock meets your shoulder, and because that part of your body is eventually connected to the ground, there will be a natural tendency for the muzzle to move upwards. Unless, that is, you adjust your stance and hold to limit this effect.

In other words, the only reason “muzzle rise” exists is due to the way we position ourselves as we shoot, and we can position ourselves to minimize that, especially with a 5.56 AR-15. There is no inherent tendency for the muzzle to rise on its own. Therefore we should use devices that push the muzzle down, right?

Of course not. The ideal device in terms of muzzle control would keep the muzzle exactly where it was before the shot was fired. We don’t always fire from the standing position, and if you’re trying to shoot side prone or underneath the bumper of a car, a device which “combats muzzle rise” will be constantly forcing the muzzle left or right with every shot.

With that in mind, here’s a chart showing the downward forces caused by each device."

[tal3nt]

I like mine too. Loud as hell, but that's why it works so well. Welded mine to a 14.5"

[send it_hit]

ar-15-muzzle-device-comparison/

"Downward Forces

If we think of limiting rearward forces as recoil reduction, then limiting upward forces must be called “combating muzzle rise,” right? Wrong.

Consider yourself shooting a rifle with a bare muzzle from the standing position. In scientific terms, the rifle is an arm with forces being placed upon it at the very end – the muzzle. The gases exiting the muzzle do so in a very uniform manner, with essentially no variation from side to side and top to bottom. They do not inherently cause the muzzle to move up – if the rifle were to be suspended in the air, it would move straight back.

But it’s not suspended in the air, it’s connected to your body. It has to move in some direction, because an external force has acted upon it and it is no longer “at rest.” Because your body is connected to this arm, and the rifle is long and essentially pointed at (in physics terms, not weapon terms) your body, the arm will move mostly to the rear. However, because there is much more of your body below the point where the stock meets your shoulder, and because that part of your body is eventually connected to the ground, there will be a natural tendency for the muzzle to move upwards. Unless, that is, you adjust your stance and hold to limit this effect.

In other words, the only reason “muzzle rise” exists is due to the way we position ourselves as we shoot, and we can position ourselves to minimize that, especially with a 5.56 AR-15. There is no inherent tendency for the muzzle to rise on its own. Therefore we should use devices that push the muzzle down, right?

Of course not. The ideal device in terms of muzzle control would keep the muzzle exactly where it was before the shot was fired. We don’t always fire from the standing position, and if you’re trying to shoot side prone or underneath the bumper of a car, a device which “combats muzzle rise” will be constantly forcing the muzzle left or right with every shot.

With that in mind, here’s a chart showing the downward forces caused by each device."

None of that gives any quality argument NOT to run a MB. Even if one were to agree with those claims, sometimes you have no choice but to only have a small portion of the stock seated on the shoulder, depending on shooting position/gear load.

[shooterfpga]

If they had one for 7.62 id order one

[Click Boom]

shoulder it properly and it doesnt.

due to the design, if you shoulder it properly, everything is in a straight line. recoil is straight back. its been covered many times before. The muzzle rise is from putting the toe of the stock on your shoulder instead of the heel.

Ive tested this more than once with FA.

there is recoil on an AR, even without the help in rise this points some of the gas back and balances the momentum.

[shooterfpga]

If you can get your ar to shoot like a 22lr why wouldnt you? I love how soft shooting mine is now. I literally could use my tongue to shoot and not worry about being smacked in the face.

[Nguyen]

shoulder it properly and it doesnt.

due to the design, if you shoulder it properly, everything is in a straight line. recoil is straight back. its been covered many times before. The muzzle rise is from putting the toe of the stock on your shoulder instead of the heel.

Ive tested this more than once with FA.

Yes it does.. Want to compare resumes? I have 92 hours, this week alone, on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive...

[eviioiive]

i was referring to the muzzle rise aspect... the recoil...man up

[m16]

Good grief.

We get it, there is no recoil.

That doesn't change the fact that muzzle brakes work, if they didn't you wouldn't see them on practically every rifle at a 3 gun competition.

[eviioiive]

good grief- i never said there is no recoil