Prince 50 vs Bullet Button vs MMG vs U15

[Kishfisser]

I have a MMG featureless build, BB, and P50. The P50 goes out of state with me on occasion, the BB is here in CA along with the MM for my old pre-ban Magazines.
As far as interpertation, It is the lack of DOJ comm. and FUD which leave space of LE to make interpertations right or wrong, then the need to hash it out in court comes along. Maybe this is in hope that the threat of financial losses to the owners of the said guns are what DOJ are hoping to be the deterrent, whether or not there is a conviction.

[edittman1]

So maybe lets start putting some FIRM pressure on the DOJ to really acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bullet Button, Prince50, MMG, and U15?

[technique]

So maybe lets start putting some FIRM pressure on the DOJ to really acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bullet Button, Prince50, MMG, and U15?

Already been done.

[sorensen440]

So maybe lets start putting some FIRM pressure on the DOJ to really acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bullet Button, Prince50, MMG, and U15?

Have they acknowledged the legitimacy of the ruger ranch rifle?
do you think it falls in the same gray area?
why or why not ?

[edittman1]

Already been done.

Can you provide me with some info? Any progress or actual acknowledgments?

Who cares, a Ruger ranch rifle is boring.

[sorensen440]

Can you provide me with some info? Any progress or actual acknowledgments?

Who cares, a Ruger ranch rifle is boring.

No offense but you have been a member here way too long to have the ar newb skitishness vibe Im getting off of ya

[technique]

Just leave it to the right people. Contribute to the CGF if you want to help. People have been on it from day one. If your uncomfortable about it, or feel its a gray area, then maybe a Ruger ranch rifle is more your speed.

There are plenty of resources here on this site that will show you the legalities of OLL's. And there are people here who have had those "encounters" with LE, I am one of them.

I didn't even bother to counter the LEO's opinion off my OLL. I told him he was wrong, didn't know what he was talking about, and to take it or "F" off.

I'm still here and so are my guns!

[aplinker]

So maybe lets start putting some FIRM pressure on the DOJ to really acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bullet Button, Prince50, MMG, and U15?

Is it 2006?

MonsterMan submitted a beautiful package and argument for why his grip is legal. No dice.

DOJ has been infiltrated by people controlled or allied with the Brady campaign. They don't want to do anything that will give gun enthusiasts reason to buy more firearms. They have abandoned their obligation to provide proper info to citizens and DAs.

If this weren't legal, do you think dozens of shops across the state would sell them, equipped with BB and MMG, right on their shelves? They meet with DOJ and ATF frequently for audits who see their stock. Wouldn't they be arrested if it were illegal?

I just don't get what you're trying to do with this thread...

[Steyr_223]

I have a Prince50, a MonsterMan Grip and aU-15 Buttstock.

I don't have a Bullet Button, yet..

[nobs11]

So maybe lets start putting some FIRM pressure on the DOJ to really acknowledge the legitimacy of the Bullet Button, Prince50, MMG, and U15?

You seem to think that the DOJ would fairly interpret the law and tell citizens what is and is not legal. This has been tried before. The reality is that the DOJ is controlled by entities who like to play politics, instead of strictly interpreting the law. The DOJ is not and should not be in the business of interpreting what the intent of the law is. That is why written laws are created in the first place. That is the job of your elected representatives. So some LE does not pull a Minority Report on citizens and send you to jail for violating the intent of the law.

If you have been following gun laws in this state, the intent of the people with influence on the DOJ is to take away AR, AK and "evil looking" rifles away from citizens.

OLL ownership and awareness is an effort by citizens to say to the DOJ "Now wait a minute guys, your job is not to judge intent, but to follow the letter of the law. We didn't vote you bureaucrats into office. You are not our representatives. You are civil servants whose job is to follow the strict letter of the law."

I think the OP seems to think that the DOJ is an agency that abides by the rules and their word is the law since they should not have any motive to lie to people. I used to feel that way before the 2000 ban as well. It took me a while to realize that in a place like the US, government agents are as influenced by politicians and politics as anywhere else in the world. It is not a conspiracy theory. It is the ground truth.

[technique]

Is it 2006?

MonsterMan submitted a beautiful package and argument for why his grip is legal. No dice.

DOJ has been infiltrated by people controlled or allied with the Brady campaign. They don't want to do anything that will give gun enthusiasts reason to buy more firearms. They have abandoned their obligation to provide proper info to citizens and DAs.

If this weren't legal, do you think dozens of shops across the state would sell them, equipped with BB and MMG, right on their shelves? They meet with DOJ and ATF frequently for audits who see their stock. Wouldn't they be arrested if it were illegal?

I just don't get what you're trying to do with this thread...

This is all Correct!!! The ATF has a voluntary program for FFL's. You sign up, they audit you on a frequent basis, tell you what you are doing wrong if you are doing it wrong, penalty free. Nothing has ever come up with those either.

And shops selling these goods are not being shut down for doing so. That was also a good point. Most of the shops who do not sell OLL's or run you out the door at the mention of them, try to say...."thats why so and so got shut down and we don't". Serious FUD!

[edittman1]

You know, all you guys had to do was post this (at least for the Bullet Button and Prince50). My buddy showed it to me.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter39.pdf

Look for 5469.

[rudedude916]

What is the difference between a bullet button and a prince50?

[sorensen440]

What is the difference between a bullet button and a prince50?

Bullet button is a device that lets you remove the magazine through the use of a tool (usually a bullet tip)

and the Prince 50 uses a allen screw to prevent the use of the mag release (You cannot legally remove the magazine with the prince 50 in california)
Very handy if you travel out of state often





You should also check the b15
Its the best of both worlds

[rudedude916]

Thanks