Prince 50 vs Bullet Button vs MMG vs U15

[andrewj]

The law IS set in stone.

Read the flow chart. Pay particular attention to the definition of a detachable magazine (CCR 5469). Due to that definition, a bullet button can have the magazine removed without rendering the rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine.

and the Prince 50?

[Hopi]

and the Prince 50?

The P50 serves a dual-use purpose.
1. You can have it locked down and create a legal scenario where you have a 'fixed-magazine", whereby only a 10 round or less magazine is utilized, and 'evil features' are permitted.

2. You can unlock it and the magazine catch functions as normal. In this case, you can feel free to use 'high-capacity' 'detachable' magazines, remembering of course that evil features are now prohibited.

[andrewj]

OK, I'll put it this way. Im shooting at a range, desert, wherever. Im using the Prince 50 with a ten rd mag locked in place. I shoot the 10 rds. Can I unlock the mag, drop it, replace it with a new 10 rd mag, lock it, and go on my merry way or am I now a felon?

From what I have heard, this is the legal with the Bullet Button, but I here otherwise with the P50.

[Hopi]

OK, I'll put it this way. Im shooting at a range, desert, wherever. Im using the Prince 50 with a ten rd mag locked in place. I shoot the 10 rds. Can I unlock the mag, drop it, replace it with a new 10 rd mag, lock it, and go on my merry way or am I now a felon?

From what I have heard, this is the legal with the Bullet Button, but I here otherwise with the P50.

No. Do not do this if your rifle is configured with any other 'evil features (i.e. pistol grip).

No offense, but study the AW flowchart and memorize the ins and outs.....

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[andrewj]

No. Do not do this if your rifle is configured with any other 'evil features (i.e. pistol grip).

No offense, but study the AW flowchart and memorize the ins and outs.....
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Yeah yeah yeah, I have read that chart hundreds of times. I am only curious because I hear otherwise from people, who in my opinion, should know the correct staus of their legality. In a nutshell, they have told me the BB and the P50 are ok for the scenario I have written above. And now, even more recently, I heard that the BB is ok for my scenario above but the P50 is not. And as of now, I do not know what to belive or who to believe. Should I swith my P50 assemblies to bullet buttons? Should I buy back my Fab 10's? Or should I just throw my AR's in the attic until I move out of CA?

[sorensen440]

Yeah yeah yeah, I have read that chart hundreds of times. I am only curious because I hear otherwise from people, who in my opinion, should know the correct staus of their legality. In a nutshell, they have told me the BB and the P50 are ok for the scenario I have written above. And now, even more recently, I heard that the BB is ok for my scenario above but the P50 is not. And as of now, I do not know what to belive or who to believe. Should I swith my P50 assemblies to bullet buttons? Should I buy back my Fab 10's? Or should I just throw my AR's in the attic until I move out of CA?

Your friends dont know what there talking about

Read the flowchart again and if you still dont get it read it again

[DedEye]

Your friends dont know what there talking about

Read the flowchart again and if you still dont get it read it again

Listen to the man.

You cannot unscrew your Prince50 mag lock on a semi-automatic, centerfire rifle in Califorina. Doing so creates an unregistered AW as the mag catch now allows for the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. This DOES NOT HAPPEN when you drop the magazine on a bullet button kit.

Until you absolutely know the law and what's legal, perhaps the ARs should be left in the attic (WITH the Prince50s engaged and a 10 round mag locked in place).

[andrewj]

Your friends dont know what there talking about

Read the flowchart again and if you still dont get it read it again

I wasnt speaking to my friends, I got this info from some local dealers, thats why said that I thought they should what theyre talking about. Apparently they dont know their stuff. I would never ask my friends about these laws, that would be the only thing worse than interpreting the laws myself.

[andrewj]

Listen to the man.

You cannot unscrew your Prince50 mag lock on a semi-automatic, centerfire rifle in Califorina. Doing so creates an unregistered AW as the mag catch now allows for the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. This DOES NOT HAPPEN when you drop the magazine on a bullet button kit.

Until you absolutely know the law and what's legal, perhaps the ARs should be left in the attic (WITH the Prince50s engaged and a 10 round mag locked in place).

and finally someone answers my question. Thanks

[Hopi]

and finally someone answers my question. Thanks

I think you might need to give me all your off-list rifles until you understand ownership. That question has been answered 100's of times on Calguns.net and again at least 2x in this thread. The answer is in the AW flowchart that is hotlinked in my answer to the same question just 3-4 posts ago.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=1562868&postcount=79

[DedEye]

Take my class and I will answer all your OLL questions .

[andrewj]

I think you might need to give me all your off-list rifles until you understand ownership. That question has been answered 100's of times on Calguns.net and again at least 2x in this thread. The answer is in the AW flowchart that is hotlinked in my answer to the same question just 3-4 posts ago.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...8&postcount=79

Relax! Thats why I came to you guys; for an easy answer. Sorry for not reading all 9 pages of this thread. Just understand my frustration in my situation. If you'd like me to leave this thread for good, no prob. Makes it easy on all of us.

[Hopi]

Relax! Thats why I came to you guys; for an easy answer. Sorry for not reading all 9 pages of this thread. Just understand my frustration in my situation. If you'd like me to leave this thread for good, no prob. Makes it easy on all of us.

Don't leave anything. Read more and have fun. BTW, the AW flowchart is the result of Calguns community frustrations with these matters.....

[Toolbox X]

I wasnt speaking to my friends, I got this info from some local dealers....

That is your problem right there. The following is a list of the Top 3 WORST people you can ask for legal advice about guns.

#1. Police Officers
Cops know how to write speeding tickets. The have to shoot a gun every now and then, but they rarely know more than how to load a gun and shoot it. They are typically the worst informed and least knowledgeable people you can talk to about gun laws. They are #1 because they are clueless about gun laws, yet they are the people charged with determining on the spot what is legal and what is a felony they have to arrest you for.

#2. Gun Store Owners and Employees
These guys are so close to being #1 they can taste it. They rarely have ANY idea what they are talking about when it comes to gun laws. And to make matters worse, they talk with an arrogance and confidence that many people mistake for wisdom and knowledge. NEVER, and I mean NEVER, trust a gun store owner or employee when they tell you what is legal and what is not.

#3. The DOJ
No one has ever gotten a straight answer out of the people at the DOJ. There is a HUGE conflict of interest within the DOJ because they are supposed to be IMPARTIAL, meaning they have no opinion or agenda, but at the same time they are the right hand of the anti-gun politicians in California. So the DOJ constantly refuses to acknowledge the legality of guns and devices that have been PROVEN legal, even in court. But that is only if you talk to someone near the top of the DOJ Firearms Division. The people on the helpline know nothing, or worse, what they tell you is completely wrong.

If you want to know what is legal and what isn't, read the flowchart and read Calguns. You will not find people more knowledgeable about firearm law anywhere else.

-Grant

[stag6.8]

While I've seen quite a few MMG's/BB's/P50's, I have yet to see someone else with a U-15 (besides me, that is). I think it has great ergonomics and works very well. Though I do agree that they look a little funny - but I am also a firm believer in function over form.

I have two rifles both with u-15s stocks....I think they`re great....