Am I the only one that put the kibosh on long gun purchases?

[Vz58man]

I dont understand this. This is rediculous. Buy what you want..we live in AMERICA. Buy what you want. Its legal. Our government cant get their **** together. You think they are going to come door to door? Youre joking? Did they go door to door in UK? Or canada? They wont go door to door here. If they did...how long do you htink it would take for it to be on the news? How long would it take you to find a safe place for your rifles? And lastly, do you think they are going to send in teams of people dedicated to using metal detectors on your house to take your guns? NO. NO. NO. I dont care. Noone is taking my guns. Its legal. I buy.

[Vz58man]

And lastly. how can you be so adament that the government doesnt have your pre-2014 rifles on database? If your paranoia is logical, then why does it stop before 2014? They DROS you....they have a record of your purchases...Who cares

[kygen]

I dont understand this. This is rediculous. Buy what you want..we live in AMERICA. Buy what you want. Its legal. Our government cant get their **** together. You think they are going to come door to door? Youre joking? Did they go door to door in UK? Or canada? They wont go door to door here. If they did...how long do you htink it would take for it to be on the news? How long would it take you to find a safe place for your rifles? And lastly, do you think they are going to send in teams of people dedicated to using metal detectors on your house to take your guns? NO. NO. NO. I dont care. Noone is taking my guns. Its legal. I buy.

I think they are more concerned with door to door, as in "ok, you haven't surrendered said rifles by this date, so now we are charging you with felony possession"

[liberallyloaded]

They're not drawing a line in the sand. That's what you do when you decide that enough is enough and it's time to take a stand and fight. These guys are really just giving up and waving a white flag in surrender. Vive la France!

Exactly... To get all pushed out of shape and give up over, of all things, a dros form... I don't get it.

[xounlistedxox]

Not at all, no long guns, or handguns for me. Looking into getting 80% builds of all kinds going. When I was burglarized in 2007 the officer who responded on scene was able to look up every handgun I ever owned right in the police cruiser computer. That's absolutely absurd. After that I bought what I needed to cover shtf situation and left it at that. No long guns registered and don't plan to get anything else on the books. I don't recall any crimes being solved by registering firearms. Just ask Canada. They ditched that program because It did nothing.

[kygen]

Not at all, no long guns, or handguns for me. Looking into getting 80% builds of all kinds going. When I was burglarized in 2007 the officer who responded on scene was able to look up every handgun I ever owned right in the police cruiser computer. That's absolutely absurd. After that I bought what I needed to cover shtf situation and left it at that. No long guns registered and don't plan to get anything else on the books. I don't recall any crimes being solved by registering firearms. Just ask Canada. They ditched that program because It did nothing.

That's pretty crazy. Do they have to actually search for it, or does it pop up when they look you up for any reason?

Also, does it pop up when they scan your license plate? or is that just for outstanding warrents

[xounlistedxox]

That's pretty crazy. Do they have to actually search for it, or does it pop up when they look you up for any reason?

Also, does it pop up when they scan your license plate? or is that just for outstanding warrents

I don't know the answer to this, but the PD officer was actually a non armed community service officer, so I would imagine any officer would have access to this info

[Uxi]

Except for a great deal on lowers at Ammo Bros, my policy has been only 80% in cash from here on out as long as it remains legal.

[NapaPlinker]

I bought a lower per 12/31/13 but refuse to buy any other guns besides sidearms now. I just can do it.


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[9M62]

No. Don't let FUD control your life.

You've bought into the "registration will lead to confiscation" FUD. You don't want to be left with no guns after they are confiscated, so to avoid this, you're not going to buy any guns that can be confiscated. In other words, you don't want the government to take your guns, so you're not going to buy any to begin with. Does anyone else see the sad irony in this?

By giving up, you lost. And you let them beat you without taking a single shot.

Registration leading to confiscation is not FUD.

That said, the rest of your point is spot on. This is the playing field we're on, and if we don't buy them -- then they've won without even having to go through the hard work of coming and taking them from us in the first place.

I've purchased a few this year, and will purchase more. If they say I can't transfer them to my children, I'll just move them out of state and transfer the firearms to them there. Simple as that.

Call me crazy, but not buying guns is not an option nor is going to prison.

[9M62]

That's pretty crazy. Do they have to actually search for it, or does it pop up when they look you up for any reason?

Also, does it pop up when they scan your license plate? or is that just for outstanding warrents

1) The Officer has to specifically search the Automated Firearm System to find a list of registered firearms to you.

1a) A "scanned" license plate only checks the vehicle to determine if the vehicle is wanted / stolen. The "automated license plate systems" do not actually retrieve registered owner information. They merely run the plate against a text file containing a list of wanted/stolen license plates and vehicles. If the Officer wants to know more about the person behind the wheel, he will have to pull him over and figure it out.

2) The Officer has to have a specific, articulable reason to run an "AFS" check on a given person. A mere traffic stop, without more information or reason to do so, does not give the Officer sufficient necessity to run an AFS check. A good example of a "reason" is response to a call of a Domestic Violence in progress, or a 5150 hold, some other felony arrest, a burglary where the Officer wants to place the firearms into the stolen property (firearm) system, etc.

3) It is not automatic. A DMV license check, warrants check, and AFS check (as well as other systems like restraining order system, missing persons, etc) are all separate systems.

In general a "standard" run of the mill "check" on a person during a traffic stop will check DMV, warrants, missing persons, wanted persons, restraining order, domestic violence restraining order, sex registration, arson registration, probation, parole, and a few other conviction based systems. It will not automatically check their complete Criminal History or the Automated Firearms System.

In short, all this concern that a cop is going to pull you over for a stop sign and then all of a sudden go nuts on you because he "saw" that you had 38 handguns and rifles registered to you is FUD.

It isn't automatic, by law it can't be automatic, and don't forget -- most cops would be on the same list as you, with a large list of registered firearms.

There are plenty of reasons to be wary of firearms registration, and the decision to continue to purchase firearms that require registration is an entirely personal decision -- one that I won't lecture on the pros and cons for -- but if your concern is that your standard encounter with law enforcement on a traffic stop will somehow subject you to heightened scrutiny because of them, is completely false and misdirected.

[Mitch]

I bought a lower per 12/31/13 but refuse to buy any other guns besides sidearms now. I just can do it.

You are buying and registering handguns but not buying and registering long guns because why?

[Sabesimpson]

And douchbag neighbors!

[IEatZ28]

I bought a scary bolt gun in .270. It's evil, it's black, and it's a rifle. I own a handgun which is registered so I'm not convinced registering a long gun is really the end of the world. I DID. But I don't now. That is the last rifle I will be buying for awhile, not because I'm scurred but because I'm broke.

[kygen]

1) The Officer has to specifically search the Automated Firearm System to find a list of registered firearms to you.

1a) A "scanned" license plate only checks the vehicle to determine if the vehicle is wanted / stolen. The "automated license plate systems" do not actually retrieve registered owner information. They merely run the plate against a text file containing a list of wanted/stolen license plates and vehicles. If the Officer wants to know more about the person behind the wheel, he will have to pull him over and figure it out.

2) The Officer has to have a specific, articulable reason to run an "AFS" check on a given person. A mere traffic stop, without more information or reason to do so, does not give the Officer sufficient necessity to run an AFS check. A good example of a "reason" is response to a call of a Domestic Violence in progress, or a 5150 hold, some other felony arrest, a burglary where the Officer wants to place the firearms into the stolen property (firearm) system, etc.

3) It is not automatic. A DMV license check, warrants check, and AFS check (as well as other systems like restraining order system, missing persons, etc) are all separate systems.

In general a "standard" run of the mill "check" on a person during a traffic stop will check DMV, warrants, missing persons, wanted persons, restraining order, domestic violence restraining order, sex registration, arson registration, probation, parole, and a few other conviction based systems. It will not automatically check their complete Criminal History or the Automated Firearms System.

In short, all this concern that a cop is going to pull you over for a stop sign and then all of a sudden go nuts on you because he "saw" that you had 38 handguns and rifles registered to you is FUD.

It isn't automatic, by law it can't be automatic, and don't forget -- most cops would be on the same list as you, with a large list of registered firearms.

There are plenty of reasons to be wary of firearms registration, and the decision to continue to purchase firearms that require registration is an entirely personal decision -- one that I won't lecture on the pros and cons for -- but if your concern is that your standard encounter with law enforcement on a traffic stop will somehow subject you to heightened scrutiny because of them, is completely false and misdirected.

Thanks for that clarification 9M62. One of the reasons I asked was because on the day I posted that, I had a cruiser change lanes to get right behind me, follow me for a minute or two at a 3 car distance, then change lanes back to the original one he was in. So I was just wondering if he could see what I had