M1A / M14 Receivers

[desert dog]

Unless you have extra money to burn just get a SA,their cast recvrs have
a good track record,the forged thing is way overrated, a lot of people
think they are getting some magic with them like better accuracy,longevity,
or something else. I once knew a high master shooter type who said he
had well over 20k thru his SA recvr,of course he did replace quite a few barrels.
He shot some incredible groups @ 600 yds from a prone position with just
his iron sights. Pete

Not going to argue the cast-vs-forged thing.

But, I disagree with you on the SA recievers. The SA castings are pretty damn poor, and so are the cheap foreign cast parts they are built with. IMO, quality is poor compared to Fulton and are nowhere near the quality of an LRB. SA owners often go through lots of scope mounts because the dimensions are out of spec.

The Chinese Polytech receivers are fantastic too (as long as you don't use the polytech bolt), but some folks want to keep their rifles "American".

[strongpoint]

Who makes/sells a good quality, but not over priced, M1A/M14 receiver?

no one.

[GM4spd]

Not going to argue the cast-vs-forged thing.

But, I disagree with you on the SA recievers. The SA castings are pretty damn poor,

I'm outdated,I knew Clint McKee from Fulton a long time ago and he was
not producing his recvr at that time. He is the one that schooled me about the
cast/forged debate and there were fewer recvrs on the market. He thought
SA was about the best out there at that time but I have no knowledge of new SA offerings
and back in the days I'm talking we had nothing but GI parts attached to
The SA recvr and I believe that made for a much better rifle,overall. Pete

[SunkenShadow]

LRB, got one and shoots like a beauty

I'd buy one again immediately if they're wasn't such a long wait

[H2O MAN]

I'm outdated,I knew Clint McKee from Fulton a long time ago and he was
not producing his recvr at that time. He is the one that schooled me about the
cast/forged debate and there were fewer recvrs on the market. He thought
SA was about the best out there at that time but I have no knowledge of new SA offerings
and back in the days I'm talking we had nothing but GI parts attached to
The SA recvr and I believe that made for a much better rifle,overall. Pete

Maybe Lee Emerson (Different) can confirm, but I have read the M1A receivers with serial numbers below 100K are the best SAI ever produced. I have also read that QC started to decline around the same time the sunset of the AWB in '94.

[Citadelgrad87]

I think that's the point of Croc's letter.

The letter is wrong. People that I am aware of aren't making a decision based on what was said, or any perceived quality issue, they are choosing not to do business with somoene who is doing what SEI is doing. That's a blowback that is part of the decision to pursue things like this. Maybe it's emotional, but the point is its happening.

SEI absolutely has a right to pursue this litigation, I do not claim that the lawsuit is meritless or in bad faith. I represent small business clients and have handled similar actions.

The issue is that there are people who, solely on the basis of hearing that this lawsuit has been filed, are taking their money elsewhere, at least they say they are. That's a real cost that SEI needs to consider.

How many of these people weren't ever going to buy ANY reciever, and are simply blowing hard online, is probably better known to SEI than me.

[H2O MAN]

Maybe it's emotional, but the point is its happening.

... emotional, irrational, maybe both describe the dog pile mentality that I have consistently voiced my opinion against.

[russ69]

Word on the street is that LRB is a good way to go. Also the Polytech guns were way better than most people think. On the otherhand SA is still a decent gun but if you are wanting the very best, a gun built on an LRB receiver is what people are doing nowadays.

[jetman624]

Wow thanks for all the replies-- very helpful.

And what about this rear lug vs no rear lug? I understand the point of it, but how much does a gun without it really suffer in terms of accuracy?

[GM4spd]

Wow thanks for all the replies-- very helpful.

And what about this rear lug vs no rear lug? I understand the point of it, but how much does a gun without it really suffer in terms of accuracy?

I doubt you would notice the difference,the rear lug helps keep a given recvr
LAST longer in the bedding (holding its accuracy)before it has to be re-bedded again,again this is
match type shooters doing thousands of rds,my guys used to tell me that after
a barrels accuracy started to fall off they rebedded the gun when they replaced the barrel. Pete

[plsmyk]

The rear lug is for rifles intended to be match/precision rifles. It's purpose is to increase the glass bedded surface area of the receiver so that the bedding lasts longer. A glass bedded receiver will be more accurate than a non-bedded rifle due the consistency it imparts on the behavior of the rifle as it is fired. According to some of the M-14 smiths on the M-14 Forum, the rear lug does little to increase accuracy over on non-rear lug bedded rifle.

[GM4spd]

Off topic but here is a pic of my Winchester M 14 recvr that was rewelded,
however because it was not originally demilled to Atf specs of three cuts,
not two they confiscated it from me,yes,they came to my home and
picked it up-they DID call first! It was ALL Winchester partsPete
I did have it for a thousand rds of fun!

[H2O MAN]

And what about this rear lug vs no rear lug?

What stock do you have in mind?

[H2O MAN]

Off topic but here is a pic of my Winchester M 14 recvr that was rewelded,
however because it was not originally demilled to Atf specs of three cuts,
not two they confiscated it from me,yes,they came to my home and
picked it up-they DID call first! It was ALL Winchester partsPete
I did have it for a thousand rds of fun!

It would have been nice if they allowed you to strip the rifle down and give them just the receiver...

[russ69]

...And what about this rear lug vs no rear lug? I understand the point of it, but how much does a gun without it really suffer in terms of accuracy?

The lug by itself does not aid in accuracy, as has been stated. The current/last mod for match rifle shooting was a two lug receiver. I don't think the cost of a lug modification is worth the money unless you are shooting matches with your gun. They work fine without the lugs.