Aimpoint M4 vs EOtech EXPS3, which one would you take?

[UserM4]

Nah. I am not a ACOG guy. I tried, not my thing. I need something that will acquire target FAST in CQB situation. **** within 100 yards concern me. **** beyond 100 yards, I can always run (or hide).

I only mentioned it because you had listed 3-gun. Have you tried a good low magnified optic? I can't see how they're slower besides maybe the weight. Anyways, if you don't need magnification, then I'll still say neither. Try out an SRS. You'll never want to look through a tiny H1 or even the M4 again.

[JDay]

I have an EOTech 517 and an Aimpoint CompM4. Never thought I would like an Aimpoint when I bought the EOTech due to the slightly larger dot and no ring, but I was recently given the Aimpoint CompM4 and after one range trip the EOTech is now for sale.

I'm really contemplating on an Acog in place of my Aimpoint Pro + Magnifier, I just don't know about up close (-100yds) shooting.

You can attach a red dot to an ACOG.

[Mr_Monkeywrench]

One good thing about the EOtech is the reticule is outstanding. For engagements 25 yards or less, the bottom part of the 65moa outer ring works perfect for getting your shots on target (remember sight over bore issues at close ranges).

[JDay]

If you forgot to turn off your EOTech, it will drain out fast.

It'll auto-shutoff after 4 hours if you turn it on with the down arrow and 8 hours if you turn it on with the up arrow.

I didnt think you can turn a M4 off per se, I thought even the first position is a NV setting.

I'm pretty sure it is too since the manual lists 16 settings (7 NV and 9 regular) but you can only turn the knob 15 clicks from the "0ff" position.

[Casual_Shooter]

I'm really contemplating on an Acog in place of my Aimpoint Pro + Magnifier, I just don't know about up close (-100yds) shooting.

ACOG makes a sight/ scope with a red dot sight mounted on top of the powered scope. I have the TA31DOC (not sold anymore, but they have a replacement). 4x sight for longer(ish) shots. Red dot sight for close in shots.

Truth be told, in a handgun/ carbine class, I used the 4x sight for most of my shots- none of which were over 25 yards.

[Dinosaur Jr]

Never fails to see a post counter under 200 when this topic comes up.

Correlating post count to firearms experience is a fairly risky assumption. As an example, I have been a firearms owner since the 1980s and only discovered Calguns.net last year...just sayin.

[1CavScout]

Correlating post count to firearms experience is a fairly risky assumption. As an example, I have been a firearms owner since the 1980s and only discovered Calguns.net last year...just sayin.

Yep, I got my first gun when I was 6, and that was almost 40 years ago. Been into guns my whole life, and currently own over 100. I am a combat vet and former LEO as well, so I carried weapons as part of my job for most of my adult life. I lurked on CalGuns for a long time, and joined recently because of all the new BS bills that were being passed here.

[Dinosaur Jr]

Yep, I got my first gun when I was 6, and that was almost 40 years ago. Been into guns my whole life, and currently own over 100. I am a combat vet and former LEO as well, so I carried weapons as part of my job for most of my adult life. I lurked on CalGuns for a long time, and joined recently because of all the new BS bills that were being passed here.

Thanks for your service Cav, and welcome. Just recently made some donations to CGF & NRA for the same reason. With the current super majority in state gooberment, I think it likely that the courts will be our only defense against more nonsense.

btw - shot my first .22 in Boy Scouts in the 60s. That's what got me started.

[nitroxdiver]

^ If you know what you are doing you can clear houses with Acogs, ESP the dual illumination models. Not quite as quick as a reflex, but more than capable.

Another trick for the 4x models for in close quick shooting is to use a flip cap on the front and keep it closed. Bring rifle up, both eyes open. Left eye sees target, right eye sees reticle glowing in the tube. Brain superimposes them onto each other. Pull trigger. Hit. Not as precise, but good enough for government work. When you want to take a precisely aimed magnified shot, flip open the cap and go to work.


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[jvpark]

I like the controls of an aimpoint easier to adjust not a fan of the standard eotech reticule
I like the dot, especially at distance

[jurrd87]

Never fails to see a post counter under 200 when this topic comes up.

Dafuq? How is your post count going to help you survive in combat or when SHTF? Put down the keyboard and go get some more trigger time...

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[1CavScout]

Thanks for your service Cav, and welcome. Just recently made some donations to CGF & NRA for the same reason. With the current super majority in state gooberment, I think it likely that the courts will be our only defense against more nonsense.

btw - shot my first .22 in Boy Scouts in the 60s. That's what got me started.

Thanks, and yep it's going to be a fight (Likely in the courts) here in Cali...

[timbo399]

I have never even looked through an Aimpoint, so take w grai of salt, but am aware of their ruggedness and great battery life. I have an Eotech XPS 3, with just a 1 MOA dot in the middle. I probably would have gone with another Eotech reticle but I bought an AR w the Eotech attached from a fellow Calgunner. That being said, I grown to love having simply the 1 MOA dot in the middle, can turn up the brightness as needed and incredibly quick target acquisition and very precise with the 1 MOA, no distortion on mine at all, very crisp dot. Have it on a Daniel Defense LW barrel AR so guess you could call it more my "combat rifle" (although what type of combat I don't know!). Only annoying thing is the buttons are a little mushy and if hear bump in the night have to find the mushy button and press it to turn on as opposed to Aimpoint where can leave on for the year. Amazing field of vision though, makes it almost seem like I don't have a reticle on my AR and just see a red dot.

[Agent Tikki]

Practice practice practice.

Get yourself a consistent check weld. Losing the dot is because your weld's not consistent.

Keep both eyes open, and practice practice practice. You should be able to pickup the dot before your check weld is complete. Practice different positions too.

[masayako]

Thanks for all the great feedback. So far, I'm leaning toward EXP3 w/ Magnifier (1 MOA). I like the fact that I can push it to the side if I don't need it & put it back on when I need more zoom. I have an Aimpoint H1 already so I just want to try some other alternatives out there. Nothing wrong with the H1, I've zero'ed it in for my other AR, so no need to mess around with setup.

Trijicon SRS is nice but a bit expensive & heavy. I don't want to pay extra the solar feature. Some review mentioned that if used in direct sunlight, there's a weird reflection of the component inside the glass. No thanks.



As far as "Cons", my concerns are weight & eye relief. AT 23.1 oz, it's 1.4 lb of glass on top. It probably will take up quite a bit of rail so I need to mount the EXP3 far enough to put the G33 in. Oh well. Will try this setup and see how things go.

Oh, by the way, if you have one to sell, shoot me a PM. Thanks.