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Aimpoint M4 vs EOtech EXPS3, which one would you take?

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  • #16
    fmunk
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 3896

    Fuzziness is the nature of the beast. If you focus on it, it will drive you nuts and you are not suppose to. You are suppose to focus your eye on the target (even with any single dot RDS). Furthermore, you are suppose to use them with both eyes open.

    Both systems are meant for battle rifle accuracy or paper plate accuracy. The AR carbine is not meant to be a precision rifle. Yes, it can be modified to be one. But, the basis of the platform was not for that purpose.

    The "bullseye" or "horse shoe" type reticles help drive your eye and your rifle to the target with the outer ring or horse shoe. That's why they are better at target acquisition. Then, you use the center dot to get even more precise. This should all happen intuitively without much thinking or over-thinking.

    If you are hung up on how fuzzy the reticle is, you are over-thinking it.


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    • #17
      jasonnorcal
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 1282

      Aimpoints all the way. Not the m4 though, its to big. I'd get the pro or t1. I had an eotech and sold it. Its slightly easier to pick up the reticle but thats it. Aimpoint is better in every other way. It's fast to pick up the dot if you keep both eyes open like you should be doing. Eotech is like a truck, big and bulky. Aimpoint is like a ferrari, sleek and slim. The new xps's are smaller than the old 512's but still not as nice as an Aimpoint imho. I have a t1 & ml2
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      • #18
        1CavScout
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2013
        • 3234

        I am running a EXPS3-4 on my M4 AR, and like it a lot. I also have a 512 on my Saiga. I am a big Eotech fan because of how quickly you can engage targets with it. I have used them both in the field and on my personal weapons.

        ^^^As far as the fuzzy reticle, have you adjusted the brightness? Mine are clear unless you go really bright with them.
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        • #19
          Dhena81
          Veteran Member
          • May 2010
          • 4587

          If upmost reliability is your concern I'd go with aimpoint and just bring the rifle to your cheek rather than your cheek to the rifle that helps eliminate losing the dot. I honestly can't think of one top trainer that advocates Eotech's over an Aimpoint can you? I've used both and do overall prefer the Eotechs reticle.

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          • #20
            Pc487
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 46

            Originally posted by Speedpower
            Had an Eotech EXPS3-4 with a G33 combo, I was disappointed with the clarity of the reticles, it's fuzzy, it got better when viewing it with the magnifier, but still fuzzy, so got rid of it. a friend of mine bought the EXPS2-0 with the same magnifier combo and the complain is the same, the reticles are fuzzy!
            So I would go Aimpoint!
            With an RDS, you're supposed to focus on the target, both eyes open. You shouldn't notice the fuzziness of the eotech if you're looking through the holo and focusing on the target. This is opposite to proper technique with irons. That said, Aimpoint for durability, battery life and on-off and brightness controls, especially with gloves.

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            • #21
              Magix
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 551

              I'd say it depends a lot if you have astigmatism in your eyes. For me the Eotechs are not an option since the 65moa reticle just turns into a big blob, thus negating the great 1moa dot.

              I prefer the Aimpoint T1 2moa dot because it only blurs a little and I can still be hightly effective for CQB. Not to mention the great battery life and super ruggedness.I'm also a big fan of the ACOG. Super clear and sharp reticle even to my eyes. I've trained to shoot both eyes open so the BAC works for me and the added magnification is very nice for some distant shots.
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              • #22
                seal20
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 3081

                Aimpoint Comp M4

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                • #23
                  Dinosaur Jr
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 1707

                  +1 on the EOTech.

                  I have astigmatism. As long as I wear my corrective prescription, the reticle looks fine.
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                  • #24
                    tomd1584
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 5895

                    Comp M4s hands down.

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                    • #25
                      H2O MAN
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 2196

                      I love the EOTech reticle, but I went with the Comp M4 for my carbines.

                      Maybe Aimpoint will come up with a similar reticle in the future.

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                      • #26
                        negolien
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 4829

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                        • #27
                          vintagearms
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 6841

                          Ill say this. Eotechs warranty is great and for good reason. You will most likely never have to warranty an Aimpoint.

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                          • #28
                            Fritz265
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 1523

                            Eotech.

                            Because that's what I have and if I said anything else, then it would be an admission that my judgement sucks and I already know that's not true.
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                            • #29
                              MrPlink
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                              • Mar 2010
                              • 12532

                              If aimpoint ever came up with a comparable reticle it would be extra game over for the eotechs.
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                              • #30
                                SOCAL-PRINCE
                                Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 387

                                Aimpoint for me. Eotech's are nice but like others have said the reticle is fuzzy and the aimpoint just works better for my style.

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