Just bought an M4 for SHTF got an email to not use steel cased ammo. Please help!

[AbsoluteTruth]

Honestly buddy I would highly consider an Ak. Atleast look into them. They will go to hell and back and if we do in fact get invaded or attacked its likely the caliber will be 7.62x39 my strategy would be to shoot their own ammo back at them also an ak is made to shoot steel. For what you are planning on having and using the gun for, I would consider it. I got my AK first, I am now building an AR.

I have considered an AK but I just really want an AR for the the long distance capabilities and the accuracy. Personally I don't necessarily see China and Russia invading..maybe at one point. We do have thousands of Russian Spetsnaz troops already inside the US based in Colorado. A more realistic scenario I see is that America is attacked through terrorist attacks or possibly a nuke, or the economy collapsing which would bring martial law. If this happens NATO troops would be sent in to "keep the peace" and enforce martial law, as far as I know NATO troops would have 5.56. If and when the economy collapses it will be by design from the Federal Reserve Bank. I've also been studying the elite ruling class for the past 3 years and all throughout their writing they want to initiate a New World Order. This cannot be done unless the country is brought to its knees and a tyrannical system is built.

[Maddog5150]

Yeah I definitely would wait to get a better rifle if I thought I had the time. No I do not think the world is going to end tomorrow. But I do see a WROL (Without Rule of Law) scenario coming in the near future. Possibly before the end of the year. With QE3 being rolled out and the possibilities of World War III on the razors edge with Iran, Israel, Russia and China. Iran has said they have sleeper cells inside the US that will cause massive terrorist attacks if we attack them which would bring in martial law. Russia and China have both stated that they would attack the US if we attacked Iran. I've been studying the bible and prophecy for the past 3 years and everything that is going on in the middle east and Israel seems to all be lining up. I just don't want to be sitting on money saving for a rifle and then not have one. But who knows I could always sell it and buy that PSA that was linked earlier if I don't end up liking it. I'm not trying to BS anyone sorry if you feel that way.

Here is a little video that sums up a lot


[YOUTUBE]HP7L8bw5QF4&feature[YOUTUBE]

Hmmmm. Care to make a wager? I'll give you an EBR of mine if by the end of the year we have "WROL" for your EBR if we dont.

[AbsoluteTruth]

Hmmmm. Care to make a wager? I'll give you an EBR of mine if by the end of the year we have "WROL" for your EBR if we dont.

Na I'll pass ha. I'm not saying I'm positive I'm just saying its possible. With the way things are going right now its gonna happen eventually. I mean just look at the economy as long as the Federal Reserve bank is in power we will sink deeper into debt. I'm not talking about the 16-17 trillion we are in. The world is in over 1 QUADRILLION that's one thousand trillion dollars of derivative debt to the federal reserve bank.

The federal reserve gets countries into so much debt through derivatives that its impossible to get out of. Derivatives are basically interest on money they loan out to banks and countries. You know all the banks that got bailed out? Guess who bailed them out. The federal reserve bank. When banks BORROW money from the federal reserve they are charged interest on every dollar. The federal reserve prints the money out of thin air then LOANS it out. Right now as far as I know governments pay 10 dollars for every dollar they borrow. Which I might add has gotten THE WORLD into OVER a quadrillion which is one thousand trillion dollars of derivatives. As far as I know the federal reserve says the United States owes 600 trillion dollars of derivatives. Our government backs them and lays the debt on the backs of the American people, when its not the peoples debt in the first place.It is a debt spiral that is designed to go on perpetually. When the federal reserve prints money out of thin air inflation occurs. The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. Almost all of that decline has happened since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. As long as the Federal Reserve bank keeps printing money the more the dollar will decline in value.

You can't just print money out of thin air forever. And when the dollar does fall and hyper inflation occurs there is going to be complete chaos in this country that people deserve to be warned about. Imagine living in a major city when it all comes down and the economy collapses. We have between 50 and 100 million people on food stamps in this country. If they stopped getting those you can COUNT on those cities burning within 3 days. Which will result in martial law with troops on the street to "keep the peace." And the military's idea of "keeping the peace" will result in gun confiscation

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/quotes-about-the-federal-reserve-and-central-banking

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-things-that-every-american-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve

[eclectic]

Yeah I definitely would wait to get a better rifle if I thought I had the time. No I do not think the world is going to end tomorrow. But I do see a WROL (Without Rule of Law) scenario coming in the near future. Possibly before the end of the year. With QE3 being rolled out and the possibilities of World War III on the razors edge with Iran, Israel, Russia and China. Iran has said they have sleeper cells inside the US that will cause massive terrorist attacks if we attack them which would bring in martial law. Russia and China have both stated that they would attack the US if we attacked Iran. I've been studying the bible and prophecy for the past 3 years and everything that is going on in the middle east and Israel seems to all be lining up. I just don't want to be sitting on money saving for a rifle and then not have one. But who knows I could always sell it and buy that PSA that was linked earlier if I don't end up liking it. I'm not trying to BS anyone sorry if you feel that way.

Here is a little video that sums up a lot

I have considered an AK but I just really want an AR for the the long distance capabilities and the accuracy. Personally I don't necessarily see China and Russia invading..maybe at one point. We do have thousands of Russian Spetsnaz troops already inside the US based in Colorado. A more realistic scenario I see is that America is attacked through terrorist attacks or possibly a nuke, or the economy collapsing which would bring martial law. If this happens NATO troops would be sent in to "keep the peace" and enforce martial law, as far as I know NATO troops would have 5.56. If and when the economy collapses it will be by design from the Federal Reserve Bank. I've also been studying the elite ruling class for the past 3 years and all throughout their writing they want to initiate a New World Order. This cannot be done unless the country is brought to its knees and a tyrannical system is built.

Uhhhh, Boy...

[Freedomisntfree]

Seriously, just send it back already.


You researched, but you said there wasn't a lot out there on rguns right?

You paid more for it than the top voted entry level AR (S&W sport) .

You already can't trust it.

Return it.

[Maddog5150]

Na I'll pass ha. I'm not saying I'm positive I'm just saying its possible. With the way things are going right now its gonna happen eventually. I mean just look at the economy as long as the Federal Reserve bank is in power we will sink deeper into debt. I'm not talking about the 16-17 trillion we are in. The world is in over 1 QUADRILLION that's one thousand trillion dollars of derivative debt to the federal reserve bank.

The federal reserve gets countries into so much debt through derivatives that its impossible to get out of. Derivatives are basically interest on money they loan out to banks and countries. You know all the banks that got bailed out? Guess who bailed them out. The federal reserve bank. When banks BORROW money from the federal reserve they are charged interest on every dollar. The federal reserve prints the money out of thin air then LOANS it out. Right now as far as I know governments pay 10 dollars for every dollar they borrow. Which I might add has gotten THE WORLD into OVER a quadrillion which is one thousand trillion dollars of derivatives. As far as I know the federal reserve says the United States owes 600 trillion dollars of derivatives. Our government backs them and lays the debt on the backs of the American people, when its not the peoples debt in the first place.It is a debt spiral that is designed to go on perpetually. When the federal reserve prints money out of thin air inflation occurs. The U.S. dollar has lost 96.2 percent of its value since 1900. Almost all of that decline has happened since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. As long as the Federal Reserve bank keeps printing money the more the dollar will decline in value.

You can't just print money out of thin air forever. And when the dollar does fall and hyper inflation occurs there is going to be complete chaos in this country that people deserve to be warned about. Imagine living in a major city when it all comes down and the economy collapses. We have between 50 and 100 million people on food stamps in this country. If they stopped getting those you can COUNT on those cities burning within 3 days. Which will result in martial law with troops on the street to "keep the peace." And the military's idea of "keeping the peace" will result in gun confiscation

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/quotes-about-the-federal-reserve-and-central-banking

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-things-that-every-american-should-know-about-the-federal-reserve

[YOUTUBE]kf8trl69kzo[YOUTUBE]

That's why it's called a gamble and a bet homie. C'mon, go for it

Uhhhh, Boy...

Yeah I know right? Hey OP, you should really stick to the outdoor section. The "SHTF" crowd took it over and made it their own with these type of posts.

[sd_shooter]

People usually buy an AK in preparation for SHTF. It is the weapon you want at your side, not the AR.

Proof. Fast forward to 2:00 if you can't stand the wait:

[wash]

Why do you think an AR wouldn't run after a dirt nap followed by cleaning and oil?

Aluminum actually does pretty well corrosion wise...

[Lugiahua]

The thing is I really want a foward assist and a dust cover on my rifle. I want the forward assist so if SHTF ever happened and I was defending my life and had a jam I could just hit it and be back in the fight...

Forward assist will not help you in case of a jam...
Forward assist is used to forcing action to close when the weapon is out of battery.
It has nothing to do with Type I, II or III malfunction nor jam.

You can always pull the bolt to close the action or use the thumb to push it. It is really not necessary to have a forward assist. (most firearms don't have one anyway)

[wash]

The best reason I've heard for a forward assist is to silently charge your rifle before you take a shot while hunting.

The theory being that if you ride the charging handle home, you need the forward assist to make sure the bolt is locked and the carrier is not blocking the firing pin.

You might be able to thumb your carrier for that but the forward assist button let's you do it without changing your grip.

So a forward assist isn't entirely useless.

[21SF]

Dont shoot it if the wind is blowing SE, or on a full moon.

[Lugiahua]

The best reason I've heard for a forward assist is to silently charge your rifle before you take a shot while hunting.

The theory being that if you ride the charging handle home, you need the forward assist to make sure the bolt is locked and the carrier is not blocking the firing pin.

You might be able to thumb your carrier for that but the forward assist button let's you do it without changing your grip.

So a forward assist isn't entirely useless.

It's not entirely useless, but not necessary either.
and surely not something that clears a jam

[wash]

It won't cause a jam either.

Given a choice between an upper without a dust cover, forward assist and shell deflector and a standard M4 style, I'll take the M4 on a SHTF rifle.

I do have three uppers without forward assist, one a MEGA billet side charger, one ASA side charger and one Les Baer flat top with shell deflector and dust cover for a Colt LMG replica (because forward assist makes zero sense on an open bolt machine gun).

[Powerkraut]

The rifle is the cheapest thing you will buy. After you total up a years worth of ammo $1000-$1500 for a quality AR really isn't that much. My advice is don't skimp on the hardware.

I am aware that there are people who are able to build their own quality ARs for $600-$700 after shopping around and knowing where to cut costs and where not to. My post is for people who are not so familiar with the weapon.

[pontiacpratt]

I've been running steel in my PSA without issue. It's zinc plated MFS.