Legality of M16 bolt carrier in an OLL

[madwarrior]

Still rememeber it is better to be on the safe side. It still all depends on how much the BATF Agent or LEO knows. The mine set is if it looks fullauto then it must be. Most are (not all) will take you for a ride down town. So be safe and take time to think about what your doing to do.

[BlackReef]

Still rememeber it is better to be on the safe side. It still all depends on how much the BATF Agent or LEO knows. The mine set is if it looks fullauto then it must be. Most are (not all) will take you for a ride down town. So be safe and take time to think about what your doing to do.

Any type of LEO that knows the difference between a AR-15 and M-16 Bolt Carrier should atleast know the laws.......one would assume.

[ohsmily]

Still rememeber it is better to be on the safe side. It still all depends on how much the BATF Agent or LEO knows.

They won't know the difference and if they do, then they will likely know it is legal

The mine set....

The WHAT?????

[bohoki]

i guess the best bet would be to get an opinion in writing from the batfe

the real question is why are the ar-15 carriers even made if you can use an m16 bolt carrier

[ar15barrels]

The mine set

The WHAT?????

He's a mad warrior, not a thinker.
He thinks about mines, but does not always use his mind.

[SemiAutoSam]

Here is what the BATF&E has to say on the matter. This is what I have found in a quick search of the BATF website.

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2005/p53004/gen_info.pdf

In order to avoid violations of the
NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors,
selectors and bolt carriers must
not be used in assembly of AR-15 type
semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16
parts have been modified to AR-15
Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15
type rifles which have been assembled
with M16 internal components should
have those parts removed and replaced
with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which
are available commercially. The M16
components also may be modified to
AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.

[jamesob]

sorry for my rant the other day, so semiautosam your quote says it would be illegal right or am i wrong?

[SemiAutoSam]

If that's the way you read it then that's the way it is.

I'm not an attorney so your not getting legal advise from me.

I'm just sharing with you what I found at the BATF website.
I listed a link to this in the previous post so you could verify it.

Check the text at the link maybe I missed something that invalidates this statement.

Read it again carefully.

Oh I have short term memory loss so I don't really remember what rant your talking about but apologies accepted in any case.


In order to avoid violations of the
NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors,
selectors and bolt carriers must
not be used in assembly of AR-15 type
semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16
parts have been modified to AR-15
Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15
type rifles which have been assembled
with M16 internal components should
have those parts removed and replaced
with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which
are available commercially. The M16
components also may be modified to
AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.

sorry for my rant the other day, so semiautosam your quote says it would be illegal right or am i wrong?

[bwiese]

I believe there is some other material that says M16 carriers by themselves are legal in an AR15.


Colt and several other mfgrs have regularly put M16 bolt carriers in their commercial/civilian/sporting rifles.

[SemiAutoSam]

I thought there was something in the red book and or the yellow book as well but tore through those BATF pubs and couldn't locate it.

Also took about 2 hours and scoured the BATF website and what I listed above was all I could find.

Maybe something has changed and its not legal anymore that or my googleFo is weak today.

If you have the time give it a look for yourself Vilhelm.

I believe there is some other material that says M16 carriers by themselves are legal in an AR15.


Colt and several other mfgrs have regularly put M16 bolt carriers in their commercial/civilian/sporting rifles.

[4D5auto]

JP used to make an aluminum carrier.
It's purpose is to reduce the operating system mass, NOT to speed up the action (bad thing),
but to allow you to reduce the amount of gas required to run the action.
De-tuning the action with less mass in-motion gives you a rifle that jumps less between shots.
That's what you want in 3gun.

JP quit making the aluminum carriers though because they would wear out quickly due to gas erosion around the tail of the bolt.
The current low-mass JP carriers are made of stainless steel.

Ron used to make aluminum carriers (Smith Enterprises) don't know if he still does. Anyway, were the JP carriers coated?? Hard Anodized, etc.?? Ron's were hard Anoed.

[ar15barrels]

Ron used to make aluminum carriers (Smith Enterprises) don't know if he still does. Anyway, were the JP carriers coated?? Hard Anodized, etc.?? Ron's were hard Anoed.

The JP were anodized, but I don't know if they were hard anodized as I never had an aluminum JP in my hands.
I did not mention Ron's carriers because they are no longer available.
I have had them through my shop though and I have used them on wildcats with extremely small charges of powder (ex: 300x221) to help get the gun to function.

[FrankHorrigan]

If that's the way you read it then that's the way it is.

I'm not an attorney so your not getting legal advise from me.

I'm just sharing with you what I found at the BATF website.
I listed a link to this in the previous post so you could verify it.

Check the text at the link maybe I missed something that invalidates this statement.

Read it again carefully.

Oh I have short term memory loss so I don't really remember what rant your talking about but apologies accepted in any case.


In order to avoid violations of the
NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors,
selectors and bolt carriers must
not be used in assembly of AR-15 type
semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16
parts have been modified to AR-15
Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15
type rifles which have been assembled
with M16 internal components should
have those parts removed and replaced
with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which
are available commercially. The M16
components also may be modified to
AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.

You, sir, are using outdated information. I refer you to this





M16 bolt carrier assemblies for everyone!

[bohoki]

You, sir, are using outdated information. I refer you to this





M16 bolt carrier assemblies for everyone!

so according to that letter you could use all m16 fire control components because its is not capable of firing automatically without the auto sear

maybe its just me but when the atf discourages something i take that as a big shouldn't

[SemiAutoSam]

+1M

Isn't this uncharted territory ? as remember what happened to the guy that loaned out his AR and it doubled.

BATF is ruthless from what I have seen and unless you have an unlimited bankroll who wants to take on the BATF ?

Even if you have the funds to fight them in court after you have been arrested why create the expenditure when you don't have to.

It seems like the BATF has an issue of conflicting documents between whats on their website and a memo / letter they have sent out.

If your ever prosecuted for possession of a MG when it only had some M16 parts in it less the auto sear you too would be a lot more cautious about what parts your rifle contains.

As the quote from the BATF states below if you have to modify the parts to SP1 Configuration to be in compliance whats the point in using M16 parts in the first place ?

In order to avoid violations of the
NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors,
selectors and bolt carriers must
not be used in assembly of AR-15 type
semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16
parts have been modified to AR-15
Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15
type rifles which have been assembled
with M16 internal components should
have those parts removed and replaced
with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which
are available commercially. The M16
components also may be modified to
AR-15 Model SP1 configuration.

so according to that letter you could use all m16 fire control components because its is not capable of firing automatically without the auto sear

maybe its just me but when the atf discourages something i take that as a big shouldn't