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  • #31
    tonyxcom
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2011
    • 6397

    The irony of all this bullet button nonsense is that 90% of AR shooters shoot from a bench, slow fire.

    If you guys want to practice Chris Costa reloads than shoot 22LR.

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    • #32
      djleisure
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2008
      • 4734

      Originally posted by TruEdge
      Anywhere near one of these gloves. Like rimfire said its things like this glove that put bullet button owners on their radar because people are getting around the law by using these things. You are just giving the law an excuse to come down on us and put more bs laws into effect. Now because everyone wants to get around the law bullet button owners now are in jeopardy. No offense to you bullet button glove since i believe this is more about the magnet but IMHO you are causing more bad than good for us and that is why I didn't buy anything from you and I won't.
      Well, that works out, since I'm not selling anything. I made my own glove a LONG time ago and was sharing that with the OP. No big deal either way, thanks for clearing up what you meant, I was just curious.

      So, by your logic, everyone should just keep top-loading their AR's with permanently fixed mags?
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      • #33
        djleisure
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 4734

        Originally posted by tonyxcom
        The irony of all this bullet button nonsense is that 90% of AR shooters shoot from a bench, slow fire. I don't.

        If you guys want to practice Chris Costa reloads than shoot 22LR. I do!
        The middle of the desert is a fun place with nary a bench in sight.
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        • #34
          Farrier-1
          Banned
          • Mar 2009
          • 246

          Originally posted by tonyxcom
          The irony of all this bullet button nonsense is that 90% of AR shooters shoot from a bench, slow fire.

          If you guys want to practice Chris Costa reloads than shoot 22LR.

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          • #35
            tonyxcom
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2011
            • 6397

            Originally posted by djleisure
            The middle of the desert is a fun place with nary a bench in sight.
            Been there many times myself Mr. 10%.

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            • #36
              Metal Magic
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 803

              Wouldn't use one, common sense would dictate that a tool attached to your body is no longer a tool but an extension of the body. Although a grey area prob wouldn't want to be the first prosecuted by a over zealous DA.

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              • #37
                djleisure
                Veteran Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 4734

                Originally posted by Metal Magic
                Wouldn't use one, common sense would dictate that a tool attached to your body is no longer a tool but an extension of the body. Although a grey area prob wouldn't want to be the first prosecuted by a over zealous DA.
                You're entitled to your opinion, but I wouldn't go throwing around your "common sense" logic. How is a GPik retained in a glove any different that a bullet dummy round hanging around your neck on a lanyard?
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                • #38
                  Don29palms
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1829

                  Originally posted by Metal Magic
                  Wouldn't use one, common sense would dictate that a tool attached to your body is no longer a tool but an extension of the body. Although a grey area prob wouldn't want to be the first prosecuted by a over zealous DA.
                  So by your own statement common sense would dictate that as soon as you put something in your hand it becomes part of your body.
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                  • #39
                    TruEdge
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 1672

                    Originally posted by djleisure
                    Well, that works out, since I'm not selling anything. I made my own glove a LONG time ago and was sharing that with the OP. No big deal either way, thanks for clearing up what you meant, I was just curious.

                    So, by your logic, everyone should just keep top-loading their AR's with permanently fixed mags?
                    I was talking about ar bullet button gloves post who is selling them not you. As far as my logic goes I believe in doing things how they should be done. If I need to top load I'll top load. My shooting is done strictly on my private property and I have no need to change mags in an instant my paper targets don't attack. I just don't believe in these things that bring more attention to the issue than there already is.
                    The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)"

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                    • #40
                      nothing4u
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 1378

                      The legality of this bullet button glove can be easily be solved by someone droping mags with this tool in front of every county DA's office in this state and ask them if they are willing to prosecute. How about the guy making a buck off them if he's gonna claim their legal.
                      Politicians should only be allowed one term in office, then one term in jail.

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                      • #41
                        ar-bullet button glove
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 52

                        ar-tactical bullet button gloves

                        Originally posted by nothing4u
                        The legality of this bullet button glove can be easily be solved by someone droping mags with this tool in front of every county DA's office in this state and ask them if they are willing to prosecute. How about the guy making a buck off them if he's gonna claim their legal.
                        well i don't make a ton off money off these and as for droping mags infront of the DA i've droped mags infront of doj ,leo's,you name it.so i will say this some people will always place blame and also talk out of there a** about what they think they know.bla bla bla

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                        • #42
                          ar-bullet button glove
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 52

                          learn to read and maybe.you would not have wrote what you did

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                          • #43
                            artoaster
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 1220

                            Here's some more grist for the mill:

                            Obviously the Mag Magnet violates the principle of the law as in, why don't I just make a tiny tool then weld it, glue it, screw it on, or stick it on with a magnet thereby making it work the same way as ordinary mag release but just a bit bigger?

                            Or, what if I design a tool for my personal use that is something that must be utilized separately in order to detach magazine from a bullet button locked magazine well?

                            Now, in the truest sense, this firearm cannot be handed to another user and be capable of readily detachable magazines if that person does not possess another tool of any kind.

                            The firearm, by itself, retains a locked magazine and remains as such always in the absence of a tool device.

                            This brings up an idea about having a tool, in the literal sense as it relates to the law such as a bullet or cartridge, hanging from perhaps the sling of the firearm and whether that's legal.

                            Since it truly qualifies as a tool and the law makes no mention as to where tool can be in relation to the overall firearm I would have to opine that a bullet or cartridge attached to a firearm as a tool is acceptable.

                            YMMV.
                            Last edited by artoaster; 05-24-2012, 1:34 PM.


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                            • #44
                              taperxz
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 19395

                              OMG who are these people?

                              A bullet was determined to be "A" tool. Not the only tool. A mag magnet is designed to defeat the purpose of using a tool by adapting itself through magnetic energy thus defeating the need for a tool.

                              There are many different tools that can be used and no one has limited what tool can be used. A pen, awl, stick, bullet, screwdriver, ect. It can also be slung from the rifle as long as its not integrated into the performance of the rifle. Like a mag magnet.

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                              • #45
                                p1choco
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 583

                                Here is a big what if. What if I make my own glove with an actual bullet attched to the glove. Would that be legit?

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